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James Murphy 1802- 1889

Wexford Town (Wexford)

Hi. I am hoping someone may help me. I am looking for the burial place of my great great grandfather James Murphy. (yes a very common name). He was born 1801-1802 (discerned from his death record). Married in Ladys Island on 30.06.1832 to Ellen (Eleonor) Hayes (or Hays in some records) born 5.10.1807 in Ladys Island.

They lived in Trinity St Wexford and had 8 children John Laurence (twin) b.1834, Ellen (twin) b 1834, Alice b 1836, William b 1839, Laurence b 1842 (my great grandfather), Nicholas b 1845, Mary Anne b 1847 - d 1850, and Johanna b 1850. I have parish baptism records of all (in Wexford town).

As an aside my great grandfather Laurence was the skipper and owner of the schooner Express which sank off Arklow on 27.03.1897. He and his brother John and 2 others drowned. My grandfather James was the only survivor. I have many write-ups on the subject including coroner's report.

Anyway James (my great great grandfather) died in his home in Trinity St on 10.03.1889 aged 87yrs. His wife Ellen died in the same house on 12.03.1895. I have both death records. Attached.

One would assume they are buried at Crosstown cemetery but I cant find any records of their burial through Cantwell's grave records. And there are no on-line records of Crosstown cemetery. I have checked Cantwells for Lady's Island also. It could be that James (who died first) is buried where he was born and his parents lived but I have no idea where that is. It could be that the marriage record in Ladys Island is not of our James and Ellen but it was the only marriage record that came up on Ancestry and the date of it does coincide with the first born 1.5 years later.

If anyone could solve the issue I and my multitude of cousins would be so grateful. All of my great grandfather Laurence's children but two girl immigrated to New Zealand. One of the girls Ellen married Frank Poynts and the other Alice never married. Sarah Poynts the author was our only contact left in Ireland but she died 14.09.2020 in Ballyvaughan.

I have visited her there and spent many an hour walking around cemeteries in Wexford to no avail. I intend to get back there and hopefully see the graves I seek.

Cheers

Philip Murphy

New Zealand

PS sorry about the lengthy info.

pmurphy

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As far as I know Crosstown/St. Ibar's cemetery was opened in 1892 - I've seen a burial register covering October 1892 to about 1907 so it must have been available online at some point. I'll see if I can locate the file and check if Ellen is mentioned.

I dont know if you've already checked Wexford County Archives website - they have burial records for several of the graveyards in the town - see this link

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Shane, thanks for your reply. I have checked the Wexford County Archives, but no result. If Crosstown didnt open until 1892, James wouldn't be there as he died in 1889 His wife Ellen (died 1895) is probably buried with him wherever his may be.

pmurphy

No sign of Ellen or the two brothers that drowned at Crosstown unfortunately.

I also checked for possible newspaper death notices for James and Ellen, but no success, if there was a notice it would often mention the church and graveyard.,

The Catholic Churches in the town only had limited plots of land, so no graveyards attached, for the years before the 1850s the main Catholic Church was the Franciscan Friary, the later twin churches were built in the town at Bride Street and Rowe street. The graveyards in the town would all have been at Established Church grounds (Protestant/Church of Ireland) or the sites of former churches, but would generally be shared with all Christians in the parish. Catholic parishes rarely kept death/burial registers.

Bear in mind that many burials would not have had a headstone, sometimes just a wooden marker or Cross, so there may be no evidence today of who is buried in a particular plot unless it is in a laid out newer cemetery like Crosstown where coordinates and plot references are noted in the register.

I've included a small extract from the Crosstown burial register from 1896 as an example of the detailed records they have (the actual register entry is across the full book width)

Trinity Street was in St. Michael's civil parish, so I had a quick look for a possible entry for James in the St. Michael's burial ground register, but no luck...there are Catholic Burials for March 1889 but no sign of James - I'd suspect maybe a burial back where he seems to have come from near Lady's Island.

One possible line of research that might be worth a try would be to follow up on the Children, particularly any that stayed in or around Wexford town, and see if death certs and possible newspaper death notices might be found for them - some could be buried in the same graveyard as their parents.

Just to note some details on the terms and records - Burial grounds attached to churches or on former church sites are refereed to as Graveyards, burial grounds run by councils or charitable committees or even commercial bodies are called Cemeteries. Cemeteries generally kept good records with neatly laid out plots with a grid like arrangement. Church Graveyards, especially older ones, may be a little more disorganised - records kept vary, Church of Ireland church and parishes usually kept good death/burial records and in many cases have an attached graveyard, other denominations may be buried in these but not always recorded in the registers. Catholic parishes rarely kept death/burial registers and may not have an attached graveyard - in this case historic (i.e. pre-reformation) graveyards or Church of Ireland graveyards in the area could have been used. In some cases local authorities took old Graveyards into care and kept records for burials after that - this seems to be the case with the old Wexford Town burial grounds (St. Michael's, St. John's etc).

The other type of records of burial grounds are the Memorial Transcripts - e.g. Cantwell's, FindAGrave etc - these depend on there being a legible headstone or memorial of some kind. I've seen cases where Cantwell transcribed a headstone as part of his survey (1970s) which is no longer fully legible today... much of the inscription has weathered

Crosstown Cemetery was not covered by Cantwell, probably because it was considered too recent - he started his survey with an 1880 cut-off, although he revised this later..

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks Shane. Some great info in your reply. The bodies of James's two sons John and Laurence (my great grandfather) who drowned in 1897 were never recovered but Laurence's son James (my grandfather and only survivor on board) put a memorial of him on the tombstone of his mother (Laurence's wife) Catherine (Kate) Murphy (nee Redmond). She died in 1900 and is buried in Crosstown. I have been there and supplied a photograph to Find a Grave. They lived in William St.

Funny but just yesterday I found that burial record you attached above of Ellen wife of Nicholas Murphy a sea captain. of William St. My great grandfather Laurence was also a sea captain and lived in William St and he had a brother Nicholas. I'm sure they are related. I will need to investigate further.

Thanks for your time on this.

pmurphy

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