Maurice Dannehy born Lismore circa 1815

Hello Thom,

I searched  for Maurice Dannehy but didn't find a record for him in Co. Waterford.  I did however find a birth record for a Maurice Denahy in the parish of Churchtown, in Co. Cork in 1818.

The name Dennehy is very common in Co. Cork but the combination of the first name Maurice makes it more unusual.  I think this record may be worth a look?

It is possible that Maurice was born in Co. Cork but lived his childhood in Lismore?

I found two baptismal records for an Elizabeth Callanan (the unusual name helps) .

The records are in Co. Cork in the years 1832  and 1839.  The 1839 record pretty much tallies with her death record?

Hope this helps you on your way.

Kind Regards,

Anne Dennehy

Hi Anne,

Thanks very much for your information.  

I wonder if you can let me know where you found the records you mention?

I agree that it's helpful that Callanan is relatively unusual name -- though should note that various records spell the name diversely as Culliman Callinan Culnan Callanan.

If as you say Maurice Dannehy and Elizabeth Callanan / Callinan did both have Cork connections, that would be interesting.

One thing that I probably should have mentioned is that Elizabeth Callanan / Callinan is that her death certificate  (see https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N7FP-MZZ ;) lists her parents names as William Callinan (mis-transcribed as Wm Pallinan) and Jane Hanley.  

To confirm which birth record is the correct one, I am hoping it's possible to find a birth record for Elizabeth listing both her parents' names.  So far, however, I have not found one for an Elizabeth Callanan / Callinan having parents William and Jane (Hanley).

Perhaps it is significant that there were on-going connections between the Hanley, Callinan and Dannehy families.  According to notes passed down via my father, Maurice and Elizabeth (Callinan) Dannehy when in Chicago adopted at least one Hanley child.  Ttheir daughter Margaret Annie Dannehy married William C Hanley (see https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XRXW-4DN ) in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and the marriage record lists William C Hanley's parents as James Hanley and Jane Callanan.  My guess is that Jane Callanan could be a sister of Elizabeth Callanan / Callinan?

Given that their first child (Michael F Dannehy) was born 5 Apr 1855 in Chicago, it appears that Maurice Dannehy and Elizabeth Callanan / Callinan married in Chicago (though I have not yet found a record there).  As they do not seem to have married in Ireland, and have not yet located any immigration records confirming travel with other family members, so far I am not having much luck in definitively identifying any other siblings for Maurice Dannehy or Elizabeth Callinan / Callanan.

All records that I've found for Elizabeth consistently do refer to Cork.  It would be very helpful to confirm the relevant parish.

With kind regards

Thom

Thom,

Sincere apologies for not having mentioned my sources.  I always do in posts but it was just an oversight on my part.

I found the records on www.rootsireland.ie.  

It is always possible that someone is born in one parish but has grown up in another and considers that their home?  Things back then are similar to today, in that you have to folow the work wherever it leads.

I hope you view these records to see if they are related.

This site is free to join, but costs about €5 to view a particular record.

Other sites that I use (if it's any help to you) is www.irishgenealogy.ie (free)   www.askaboutireland.ie (for Griffith Valuation).

If you go to Griffith Valuation and type in the name Callinan, it will give you a list of all the families Callinan who rented an acre or more throughout the country.  You will notice that there is a William Callinan listed for Co. Cork.  Go along the record and click on all the icons to glean as much information as is possible.

Kind regards,

Anne Dennehy

Hi Anne,

Thanks for the links, which are very helpful. I had joined rootsireland.ie a while ago though didn't find it was turning up much useful information about the Dannehy or Callanan / Callinan connections.  I'll have another look.

One question I had about the Griffith valuations is how to confirm the date of a record -- and whether there are ways to follow up on information listed to find out more details?  For example, the askaboutireland.ie site includes a Griffith valuation showing Maurice Dannehy (exact spelling) living on Lower Greenane Street, Kanturk, Kilroe  but I don't see any date related to that record.  Also I notice that residing nearby is Matthew Dennehy listed as both tenant and lessor.  The different spellings of these names Dannehy / Dennehy on the same page suggest that there were confirmed differences in these surnames though I don't really understand how it would be possible to find out anything further about other family members or anything further about people listed in a Griffith valuation such as this one:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNam…

Is it possible by visiting an area to look into old church records or other local records for references to other family members?  I would consider travelling to some relevant places such as Lismore or Grenane if that realistically could help further investigations and help confirm more about parents, siblings or relatives living there in period from about 1830 to 1850s.

Many thanks again for your help.  I apprciate it.

With kind regards

Thom

Hello Thom,

The Griffith Valuations as a census as such, of anybody who owned or rented more than 1 acre of land in Ireland.  It began in the mid 1820 and then lapsed.  It started again approx 1830 and continued for many years.  It was published in approx 1850 or so.  During that time there were many changes to the survey and these various updates can be viewed in the land registry offices archive in Dublin.  As all the census from 1841 -1891 were burned and so many other records destroyed in the Four Courts fire in 1922, I think it's great that at least this archive survives to this day.  All you see is all you get.  It doesn't give families details or anything.

If your ancestor rented land from an estate (as did mine, from the Earl of Glengall) then there is a good chance that the estate papers may show you a little more.  Though usually just how much rent and how much land.  Who rented it before and after him and whether or not his widow took posession of same.

All the local churches have their records in safes in the church sacristy.  However it really is up to the local priest to decide if he wants to show them to anybody.  Some priests don't mind but others are more conservative and feel you have no business looking at not only your ancestors but other people's ancestors.  That is why they let rootsireland transcribe their records. The government have transcribed the 5 counties who didn't wish to deal with rootsireland. www.irishgenealogy.ie    And county Clare have their own heritage centre that deals with enquiries.

It's definitely worth a try when you are here to talk to the local priest.

Kind regards,

Anne

Many thanks again, Anne, for the helpful information.

FYI I have checked the record that you indicated for Maurice Danahy (1818, Churchtown) and think possible that could be relevant.  The ones for Elizabeth Callanan (b. 1832, Marcroom, Cork and b. 1839, COBH, Cork), however, are not the relevant ones given that the parent names are not correct in those records.

It seems to me that trying to check some church records in or around Lismore could be the next best step though at this point I am not sure exactly how to determine which churches could be relevant. Given that Maurice and Eliza were Roman Catholic, I expect from among the rather long list of Roman Catholic churches (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_Diocese_of_Waterford_and_Li…) that the parish church of Lismore & Ballysaggart could be the one to check.

I assume that I should get in touch with that parish church to find out if some accessible baptism / marriage records are there?

With kind regards

Thom