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Moss, Burns and Lynch families

TyroneTermonamongan (Tyrone)

I am searching for descendants of Bryan Moss and Susan Burns, the parents of Hugh. In 1854 Bryan Moss and Susan Burns were living in Termonamongan when son Hugh and his wife Hannah left for NSW Australia. Maybe Bryan was in Tullychane (1858 Griffith Valuations). Is there any record of their death and where they were buried?

Also searching for descendants of Denis and Bridget Lynch, the parents of Hannah. (Meenakeeran)

It appears that Hugh and Hannah were married on 28 Feb 1853. Can you please confirm this.

Hugh and Hannah left Ireland and sailed for Sydney in the ship Lord Hungerford from Plymouth in Dec 1854 in an eventful voyage including boisterous seas in the Bay of Biscay where their daughter Mary Ann was born on 5 December 1854. They arrived 106 days later on 20 March 1855.

Shipping arrival information:

Hugh, a 22 yrs, farm labourer from Termonamongan County Tyrone, Ireland, RC. Relatives in colony John Rogers and another not named. His Parents Bryan and Susan living in Termonamongan.

Hannah 26yrs, parents Denis & Bridget Lynch living in Meenakeeran.

Also on the ship there was a Mary Lynch from Castlegarroch Tyrone, parents Owen & Bridget from Meenakeeran.

One childs birth registration (in Australia) indicated that Hugh was born in Tullychane (Tullycar) and Hannah was born in Moneycherin (Meenakeeran) and they were married on 28 Feb 1853.

Is this relevant?

The 1901 census has

Residents in Tullycar, Corgary Tyrone : Patrick Moss, 60 farmer, wife Ann 55;

children Bernard 27, Susan 25 (Charles and Patrick).

It is possible that Patrick is Hughs brother. Can you please advise Patricks parents names.

Many thanks,

Kevin

Australia

McInerneyKJCBR

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Kevin:

The RC records for Termonamongan parish do not start until 1863 which will make it difficukt to go back and get records including the marriage for Hugh and Hannah and the baptismal record for Patrick.

I did find three possible civil death index records for Bryan in the Castlederg registration district which included Termonamongan parish. Likely your Bryan is one of the first two records assuming he lived after 1863.

I found two possible records for Susan which I will send in a separate note.

You mentioned finding Bryan in Tullychane in the Griffiths. I looked and only found the two records below.

Roger McDonnell

 

SourceSurnameFirst NameTownlandParishCounty Griffith

MossBryanGarvaghTermonamonganCo. Tyrone

MossBryanArdarverTermonamonganCo. Tyrone

 

 

 

First Name Bryan
Last Name Moss
Year 1874
Year Of Death 1874
Registered Quarter/Year 1874
Age 80
Year Of Birth 1794
Registration District Castlederg
Volume 7
Page 23

 

First Name Bryan
Last Name Moss
Year 1892
Year Of Death 1892
Registered Quarter/Year Jan - Mar 1892
Age 93
Year Of Birth 1799
Registration District Castlederg
Volume 2
Page 26
First Name Brien
Last Name Moss
Year 1867
Year Of Death 1867
Registered Quarter/Year 1867
Age 52
Year Of Birth 1815
Registration District Castlederg
Volume 12
Page 19

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Kevin:

I found two possible civil death index records for Susan Moss. I think the first one is more likely. You can get copies of death records from the General Register Office for around 4 euros each. I provided instructions below the two index records.

I also found an 1872 civil marriage index record for a Patrick Moss (likely the one in the 1901 census). One of the possible spouses was an Ann McGoldrick which matches the Ann in the census. See below.

Roger

First Name Susan
Last Name Moss
Year 1870
Year Of Death 1870
Registered Quarter/Year 1870
Age 66
Year Of Birth 1804
Registration District Castlederg
Volume 12
Page 17

 

First Name Susan
Last Name Moss
Year 1897
Year Of Death 1897
Registered Quarter/Year Jan - Mar 1897
Age 84
Year Of Birth 1813
Registration District Castlederg
Volume 2
Page 25

 

irst Name Patrick
Last Name Moss
Year 1872
Registered Quarter/Year 1872
Registration District Castlederg
Volume 2
Page 33
Potential Spouse Names Grace M'Rory, Ann M'Goldrick, Mary O'Neil, Ann M'Gorlick, Allice M'Daid

Go to this link http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx In the middle of the page there are links for birth, marriage or death certificates. Hit the link for the form you want. You will likely get a screen asking for a User Name and Password. (This is a program bug that the GRO has to correct). Hit cancel and the appropriate form should come up. Print the form and complete the requested information. Also provide the information from the index record--quarter/year of the event, registration district and the volume and page number where the event is recorded. Make sure you ask for a copy which costs around 4 euros. ( A cert costs closer to 20 euros). You can also ask the GRO to e-mail the copy back to you.

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Roger,

Thank you for such a quick response.

It is a shame that the records start in 1863.

I will now look at your comments in more depth.

Kevin

McInerneyKJCBR

Hi Kevin

i have been carrying out some research lately and have traced my ancestors back to Patrick Moss  & Anne McGoldrick.   I know that Patrick's father was Bryan Moss. I can tell you that all least three generations of this family were land stewarts for the Earl of Caledon who had a weekend retreat in this area. 

I hope this is of some interest to you and will assist you with your research.

 

IrelandXO member

Hi Elaine,

I certainly am interested.

I had assumed that Patrick was a brother of my ancestor Hugh Moss.

I am happy to send you the information I have on Hugh.

Hugh married Hannah Lynch on 28 Feb 1853 (from the register in Australia of one of their children)

They came to Australia, leaving in December 1854.

The shipping records indicated that the parents of both of them were alive in Tyrone and listed hugh's parents as Bryan Moss and Susan nee Burns.

The records also indicate that Hugh was born in Tullycar (The record indicated Tullychane).and he was 20 when they were married (born about 1832).

I have Patrick as being born about 1840 (60 yrs in 1901 census)

The names of the children of Patrick match the family names ih Hugh's family also.

I would hope that Patrick's mother name was Susan.

 

Best wishes

Kevin

 

 

McInerneyKJCBR

I am the ggg grandson of the middle Brian Moss who died in 1892. He is the Brian Moss whose grave is marked by the large Celtic cross erected by the Earl of Caledon, about 25 yards to the southwest of Aghyaran chapel. 

There is a wonderful video taken many years ago by my cousin Eileen Moss Hegedus and her husband Michael, who came to the graveyard from San Francisco with my uncle John Moss (RIP). In it, they discuss the line back from my mother, Mary Anne Moss, and her brothers and sisters, of whom John was one. Their father was the Bernard Moss, the 27 year old mentioned in the census mentioned here. My grandfather. 

As John Moss says, his grandfather was Patrick Moss, a schoolteacher "with a long beard". Before him, according to John McShane, a keeper of the story from up the Meenablagh Road, Patrick Moss' father was also named Patrick Moss. He would have been the son of Brian Moss, the man in the grave. It is very likely that the Hugh Moss mentioned here is the son of Brian Moss and brother of Patrick Moss.

Here is the link...

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10150356457055345

I do recall from my mother, who left Aghyaran in '46, that there were Byrnes and McGoldricks back up the line.

IrelandXO member

Rogers is one of the variations on the name McRory/McCroary etc etc. I have an ancestor from Castlederg named Bridget McCroary whose mother's maiden name is Moss, so the Rogers may have been connected to them as family or neighbours. Bridget McCroary married James Carolan (son of Patrick and Sarah Duffy) of Mullanabreen and they travelled to Australia in 1841/2. I have been told by a McCroary family historian that the McCroarys sponsored the Carolans. Maybe these McCroary/Rogers are the same people that sponsored your Moss family. Just a thought.

LaTriviata

Hi La Triviata, (nearly went into song)

Thanks for that thought,  It is most probably true as in my first post I noted relatives in colony included John Rogers of Clarence St.

The interesting thing for my family is why Hugh left Tyrone soon after their marriage with a very pregnant Hannah.

There must have been some favourable exchanges of mail.  It is probable that Hugh worked in the building industry as this is reflected through the family.  Also he died in Melbourne, most probably he went there to work in this trade. Mary's death record indicated she was there for 2 years.  Some of her children remained in Melbourne.

Soon after arriving in Sydney they went to Jamberoo/Kiama as their baby was baptised on 15 April 1855.

Would like to continue discussions.

Kevin

kevin_gail_mcinerney@hotmail.com

McInerneyKJCBR

On Facebook we have a group dedicated to the Moss families in ireland: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Moss.IE/about/. The Moss surname was particularly rare in Ireland at the beginning of the twentieth century: accordingly to the censuses, there were just 341 individuals in 1901 and 381 in 1911 (http://goo.gl/sWCMds); of those 381 almost 100 lived in Termonamongan, the highest concentration in Ireland.

There is also a sibling group on FB—Moss.craic (https://www.facebook.com/groups/Moss.craic)—which caters for Moss-family conversations/posts not directly connected to genealogy/history.

Looking forward to reading your stories there, cousins!

—Charles Curran (on maternal side (Jackies) Moss, Garvagh townland)

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