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James MOORE

TyroneLongfield East (Tyrone)

My gg-grandfather, James MOORE was born in 1828 - parents James MOORE and Mary COULTER.

He married Jane GIVEN/S in 1852 at the Presbyterian Meeting House Drumquin. They are listed as residing in Drumrawn on their marriage certificate.

They had 2 children in Ireland; came to Sydney Australia aboard "Maitland' in 1857. Both his parents had died before this.

On the newspaper obituary for him in 1910 it says he was born in Portadown.

There is a James MOORE in Drumrawn on the Tithe Applotment records.

On Griffiths there is an Arthur MOORE (father John) in Drumrawn.

There are COULTERS & GIVEN families in surrounding townlands.

Do you think I can say he was born in Drumrawn??

Barbara

wwimble

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Barbara,

Best practice usually requires a baptism record as confirmation of the place of birth but you might say he is likely to have been born there. However Drumquin Presbyterian church has no baptism records earlier than 1845 so, if that’s where he was baptised, you aren’t going to be able to confirm it.

Now the tithes broadly only contain farmers. So labourers and weavers, servants and others without land are not listed. So a way of checking is whether the 1852 marriage certificate says his father’s occupation was a farmer. Farmers tend to stay put (whereas other occupations can move around a lot) so having a father who was a farmer increases the likelihood you have the right family in the tithes.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks Elwyn.

James Moore Snr was a farmer in Drumrawn.

In Griffiths records & Revision Books (1864 - 79), Arthur Moore,  is the only Moore in Drumrawn.

For an Arthur Moore's marriage,  Familysearch lists his father as John Moore on his cert in 1859 in Upper Langfield.

In Griffiths there are John & Alexander Moore in Drumhornish.

For James Snr wife, Mary COULTER - there is William COULTER in Curraghamulkin in Tither Applotments & Griffiths.

 

For James Jnr's wife Jane GIVINS - there is James GIVIN/S in Carony in Tithe records; & in Drumnaforbe in Griffiths

Do you think it too much of a stretch to connect them all with these families?

Thanks again

Barbara

 

wwimble

Barbara,

There was only 1 Moore farm in Drumrawn in the tithes and still just 1 in Griffiths, so I suspect there’s a connection. PRONI has the full tithe information and it records the size of each tithe holding. The farm in Griffiths was 12 acres. You could compare those. And PRONI also has the primary Griffiths Valuation notebooks which should show the dimensions and occupants of the farm before the on-line Valuation. The notebooks are in paper format and you would need to get a researcher to look them up.

But all in all, I’d say it’s probably the same farm and that somehow Arthur acquired it from James senior.

I did a name check on PRONI’s names site. I see a James Moore of Drumarn, Tyrone whose probate was granted in 1728. There’s no modern townland of that name in Tyrone and I suspect Drumarn in the 1700s is probably Drumrawn. So it looks as though there were Moores there in the 1720s.

Possibly worth checking the Registry of Deeds records in PRONI or in Dublin to see if there are nay leases or other documents relating to the Moores of Drumrawn.

As to whether the other families might be related, well it’s possible but you would really need firmer evidence to say so for certain.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks so much Elwyn. On James Moore & Jane Givins marriage certificate in 1857, place they lived hard to read & I had it first of all as Drumarm or Drumrawn!!!!!   I am busy reading up on early Tyrone history & first mention of Moores!

wwimble

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