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Robert Orr weds Elizabeth Young 1861 in Killeeshil

TyroneKilleeshil (Tyrone)

I am trying to trace back Robert Orr's & Elizabeth Young's families. Robert;s father was Andrew Orr of unknown residence and we do not know who his mother was, nor siblings. Elizabeth's father was Robert Young and mother Jane Irvine according to their Killeeshil marriage certificate. She appears to have had a brother Robert who married Ann Jane Watt and a sister Ann who married Robert McFarland. At their marriage Robert lived in Tullyvannon and Elizabeth in Bockets townland.

Robert & Elizabeth came out to Queensland in 1861 and had a daughter Catherine in 1862. Sadly Robert developed a mental illness and spent the rest of his life in an asylum until his death in 1902. We are descendents from Catherine.

Are any correspondents linked to these 2 Tyrone families who can provide more information about them? At present it seems some Orr's from Tyrone went to the USA but we cannot make a connection based on the information that we currently have.

Thanks, Ric

Ric46

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Ric,

Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church which should be on the certificate, (unless it was a Registry Office marriage). That church may be the place to look for her baptism and that of any siblings.

You don’t say what denomination the 1861 ceremony. It was evidently Protestant. The local Church of Ireland (which is what the Young family appear to have been going by census records) lost its early records in the 1922 fire.

Looking at Griffiths Valuation for Tullyvannon in 1860, I see John Orr listed. He had plot 11 which was a 12 acre farm. There were only 16 farms in the townland and this was the only Orr property so pretty likely to be related to your Robert Orr, I would think.

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch

Robert Young is listed in Bockets on plot 30 which was a cottier’s holding of three quarters of an acre.

Looking at the revaluation records, which take Griffiths forward, I see that John Orr remains tenant in Tullyvannon till 1865 when he was replaced by Wm Blemins. Robert Young remains tenant on his property till 1897 when he was replaced by Robert McFarlane. Robert moved to plot 28 which was an 11 acres farm. (What you probably have there is Robert Young being replaced by another Robert Young at some point between 1860 and 1901. The clerks wouldn’t bother to delete a name only to write it back in again). If you get the younger Robert’s marriage cert, should give you his father’s name and occupation which Id expect to be Robert Young, farmer.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/searching-valuation-revision-books

1901 census:

 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Aghnahoe/Bockets/1734655/

1911:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Aghnahoe/Bockets/909121/

Probate abstracts:

Young Robert of Bockets Ballygawley county Tyrone old age pensioner died 1 January 1943 Administration Belfast 6 April to William Young farmer. Effects £170 7s. 3d.

Young, Mary (31) of Bockets Ballygawley county Tyrone married woman died 8 November 1959 Administration Londonderry 3 February to William Robert Young farmer the husband. Effects £104 8s. 4d.

Both were intestate and so there won’t be a will but you can find their next of kin from the probate file which is in PRONI in paper format.

So it looks as though there were Youngs in Bockets till at least 1959. Can’t help you with the Orr family though.

I searched the deaths for the Tullyvannon area c 1865 to see if John Orr had died. There is only 1 possible death around that time. He died 29.5.1869 aged 60. You might want to look at that cert to see if it’s your John Orr. You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate. 

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn, Thank you for that detailed reply.  I have followed the Griffith valuations and the updates to them into the early 20th century.  As you found, the Orr family is more difficult.  John Orr is probably a rellative but he is not the father Andrew.  Andrew Orr had farms much farther west past Omagh, so that link would be a leap of faith. It was a Church of Ireland wedding and I have a copy of the marriage certificate.

Your probate info on the Youngs is new to me and I will follow that up. Aged pensioner Robert Young dying in 1943 could be a brother of Elizabeth if he was about 97 yrs old. Otherwise he has to be some other relative like a nephew.  Without an age it is hard to know.

Thank you very much for your prompt response and efforts.  I guess I pin my greatest hopes on a living family member or descendent seeing my post and making contact.

Best wishes,

Ric

Ric46

Ric,

Robert Young was 98 when he died. You might want to view his death cert to see who the informant was etc. You can view the original certificate on-line on the GRONI website, using the “search registrations” option:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk

You will need to open an account and buy some credits. It costs £2.50 (sterling) to a view a certificate.

 

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn, I'm pretty sure you are correct.  I have his death information and it fits with the census data from 1901 and 1911.  I'm hoping that the full death certificate for his putative wife Jane (d. 1891) gives information about her children that cross-matches.

Thanks, Ric

Ric46

Hello Elwyn,
The Killeeshil Clonaneese Historical Society, hold extensive records for the Killeeshil area, the local members have great knowledge of the various families who have moved from there.
The society is on the web so if you contact them I 'm sure you will find all the information you need.
There is a poem Ballinhaye on the sight and you may even find a reference to your ancestors in it. It was composed by a local man who lived there.
Hopefully this will be off help to you.
Briege

altadrum123

Hi
Apologies I should have addressed the reply to Ric
Briege

altadrum123

Briege, Thank you for alerting me to the KCHS website.  I need to follow up some more background from Elwyn's suggestions and then I will be able to make more sensible use of your group's databases.  Sadly families of my interests were Ch of Ireland whose parish records seem lost. However, from my skim of your website, the Young, McFarland and Watt family names seem to have persisted but the Orrs have vanished. Maybe the graveyard at St Paul's Killeeshil will hold some secrets?

Ric

Ric46

Hello Ric
I made some enquires at Killeeshil & Clonaneese Historical Society meeting and I made contact with a person whose g.mother was Caroline Young from Ballinhaye. I have his permission to pass on his email address to you.
He will then share with you details of family history he has.
I will make contact with Ireland xo and ask them to pass on the address.
Bocketts and Ballinhaye are two townlands beside each other here in Killeeshil.
Briege

altadrum123

Thanks Briege.  Look forward to receiving that email address.  Ric

Ric46

Briege,

I don't seem to have received that email address from Ireland XO that you talked about some time ago.  It was about contact with a person whose g.mother was Caroline Young from Ballinhaye. I have his permission to pass on his email address to you.

Any further news or suggestions?

Cheers, Ric

Ric46

Hi Ric,
If you email Jonathan Gray at Killeeshil Clooneese Historical Society and put it for the attention of Winston, your queries will be past on to him..
Regards
Briege

altadrum123

Thanks Briege. I have sent an email to them. Merry Christmas, Ric

Ric46

Hi Ric
Thanks ...and Happy Christmas to you.
Briege

altadrum123

Nothing was heard from that person. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Ric

Ric46

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