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Townland in the Parish of Toomevara (Co. Tipperary) --- Barrane or Burore?

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I am from the Sate of Iowa in the US and am presently researching my Moylan family. I have documentation of what I believe to be all of my GG Grandparents' children's baptismal records with the exception of one. Unfortunately, my G Grandfather is the record that I'm missing. However, all of his siblings (younger and older) have been found in the Parish of Toomevara's baptismal entries.

Here is the information that I currently have: William and Mary (Guinan) Moylan had five children. They were baptised in the Parish of Toomevara and are in order of baptism:

Patrick: 12 Feb 1838
Edward: my great grandfather whose baptismal record i have not yet discovered. Date of birth is approximately 1840.
Mary: 21 Jan 1842
John: 30 Sep 1844
Judtith: 24 Nov 1845

These five children's father left Ireland for the US in aproximately 1848. The plan was to send for the family when he was settled. He was able to get settled and acquired sufficient money to send for them in 1850. I have a copy of the Passenger Manifest that took the family to the Port of New Orleans in October 1850. The youngest daughter (Judith) was not on the passenter manifest so it is presumed she died after her father left for the US but before the rest of the family boarded the ship. It's possible she died even before her father left Ireland. I have no documentation of her death but she definitely was NOT included in the passenger manifest with the rest of the family..

Mary (Guinan) Moylan arrived in New Orleans with her four remaining children on 18 Oct 1850. Her husband had acquired farmland in the State of Iowa so they were to head up the Mississippi River to join him in Iowa after their arrival in New Orleans. Two of the children (Mary and John) had contracted cholera on the transatlantic trip and died during the riverboat journey from New Orleans to Iowa and were buried in southern Illinois. When Mary was met by her husband William in Iowa, only she and the two oldest boys had survived.

Based on that brief history, I have a few questions about Toomevara. The parish registers are a little difficult to read but it appears that first son Patrick and first daughter Mary had perhaps a townland included on the register. Patrick's appeared to read "Barrane" and Mary's appeared to read "Burore". They could be the same townland with illegible writing or they could be two separate townlands, or something completely unrelated to their location. Any thoughts on that?

The second question I have concerns historical information that I recently discovered about Toomevara that intersects with the Moylan family timeline in the area. The article that I read refers to the episode sometimes referred to as "The Sack of Toomevara" which occurred in mid 1849. After reading that article, I began to wonder if there might have been a potential connection between this eviction story and the death of William and Mary's daughter Judith. I suspect there would be great difficulty in making a specific connection of the two events particularly at that time of Irish history when there easily could have been famine related reasons associated with her death, or even sijmply just a matter of fate as well.

I am currently spending the summer in Cork and will most likely visit Toomevara. I was wondering if anyone would know of alternate sources to find my grandfather Edward's baptismal documentation. Could there have been another parish close by where it could have occurred or should I assume it was just an administrative oversight at the time. Secondly, before I visit, I'm wondering if there would be a cemetery associated with Barrane/Burore that might contain Judith's grave. Finally, I'm wondering if there is any source that you might recommend that could provide more information about the "Sack of Toomevara". I understand it was quite an event which even prompted discussion in parliamentary London at the time.

I apologize for the length of my inquiry. If anyone was able to wade through the information, I sure would be appreciative of any assistance that would be available to me prior to scheduling a time to visit. Thank you in advance for any information that might be provided.

Pat Moylan

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Hi Miriam,

My mistake ..... the mother of the five children and husband of William is Margaret Quirk.  William's mother was Mary (Guinan) Moylan.  I erroneously referenced Mary when I should have referenced Margaret Quirk.  Thanks for picking up my careless error.  Shame on me!

Yes, those parish records are tough to read.  I'm not sure what to make of the Banone/Banane/Barrane/Burore issue.  Would you agree that it was probably referring to a location where they lived at the time though?

Thank you for taking the time to look at the parish register and respond.  I appreciate your effort.

Pat

 

PMOYLAN@CENTUR…

Hi Pat.

Let see what I can do to help you on your visit. 1st barrane is an area smaller then a townland with in the toom parish. Like a suburb. During that time some people have very poor spelling. It is very possible that the address are that same just spelt as it sounded. Where did you see the record and I'll have a look and see what I can make out. Also I have a friend who likes in that area. I'll ask her and see what else I can gather for you. In relation to graveyards the main one they would have used would be toom its self or one by the name of grenanstown. This is an old country graveyard. In the meantime I'll see what else I can find for you

Silvermines Ti…IrelandXO Volunteer

I forgot my name is Andrew by the way

Silvermines Ti…IrelandXO Volunteer

Barnane would also be classed under templemore. It crosses a mountain called the devil's bit. Depending when the family were there is a great chance you might find more around templemore. The is st joesphs or church Avenue. In templemore. Cheers Andrew

Silvermines Ti…IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Pat. Here is some more information I have got for you. If they stayed in the are there local would have been St James Church, Killea templemore. This is in the cashel and Emily disposes. They can be hard to get info out of. However I have checked the graveyard beside this church and there is no moylan listed as resting here. I will check the next local church and I'll come back with more Info I hope.

Cheers
Andrew

Silvermines Ti…IrelandXO Volunteer

HI,
The place name is Barnane. It's between Borrisoleigh and Templemore on the R501.
I only know this, as I research for poeple and I am always looking at and photographing headstones.

Sat Nav is great as I am still learning town land names!
Margot

Margot Secrette

Miriam,
Thank you so much for your link to the Toomevara famine information.  It's kind of you to spend your time providing me references like this.  I do appreciate your assistance.  I plan to listen to Helen O'Brien's podcast this week and will see about locating her book in a local Cork library.  Thanks again for your kind assistance.

Andrew,

Thank you also for the efforts you've made in my behalf to clarify some of the questions that I have.  The "misspelled" townland names to which I referred came from the Toomevara Parish Registers, Diocese of Killaloe.  I recognize that finding a headstone for a family member in the timeframe of 1845 - 1850 is unlikely given that what little money that may have existed would likely not be spent on commemoration.  Nonetheless, I do appreciate you taking the time to check the cemeteries.  That's very kind of you.

Margot,

Thank you for your valuable input.  I took some time to look in the online Parish Registers of both Templemore and Borrisoleigh today and didn't have any luck finding my G Grandfather Edward Moylan's baptismal record between the years of 1839 -1841.  Family lore has him born in August 1840 and that time does wedge nicely into his siblings' baptismal dates.  Because it is the only family baptismal record that I've not been able to locate, and given that a sibling before him and siblings after him ARE in the Toomevara Parish Register, I suspect the absence of his record is probably an administrative oversight and, therefore, likely not discoverable.  Nevertheless, I will still make a trip to the area sometime during my summer visit just to have a look around.  Thank you so much for your information.

The assistance that I've received since posting my initial inquiry has been nothing short of amazing.  You've all been so courteous and so very helpful and generous with your time and effort.  I really do appreciate your efforts and am grateful to all of you.  Thanks to all.

 

 

PMOYLAN@CENTUR…

Hi,
I looked at the Patt birth was this 13th February 1838?
If it is, his Mother is Margaret not Mary.
I will search again for Edward.
Margot

Margot Secrette

HI Margot,

Yes, you might notice from previous messages in this thread that my first inquiry erroneously listed the name of William's mother (Mary Guinan) rather than his wife's name of Margaret Quirk.  I corrected that in a subsequent note to Miriam.  To be clear, I'm definitely looking at the family of William and Margaret (Quirk) Moylan.

It appears to me that the 4th line up on the left side of the page reads "Bridget of William Maloney and Mary Carthy".  It's difficult to know for certain since the writing is pretty illegible.  I believe that Patt was the older brother of Edward which would rule out a birth year of 1837 since Patt was baptised in 1838.  I probably shouldn't be close-minded about that though.  Family lore and fact don't always match.

Geneaolgical research is fun but it sure can be frustrating!  I very much appreciate your efforts, Margot.

PMOYLAN@CENTUR…

Hi pat I've only just come across your enquiries about toomevara I see you have had lots of help there is a townsland in toomevara called garrane and also barroue pronounced baru they are right beside each other that's all I can offer for now good luck with your research

Eric Hughes

Thank you for your information.  Would the townlands of Garrane and Barroue have their own church and cemetery?  If not, where would the residents of these townlands likely attend church or typically be buried back in the 1840s era?   Thank you again for your new information.

Pat

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