My Grandfather, great grandfather and GGG-F were all bakers and lived in Cashel. Paul, Michael and Michael Leamy respectively. Would anyone know if there was a perhaps a Leamy bakery in Cashel .? Or else a large bakery where they might have worked? I amlooking at the period 1850 to 1920
Thank you again, Hannah
Hannah:
Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!
We have a lot of Co. Tipperary experts on the message board so hopefully someone will see your message and comment.
You may want to contact the Cashel library for assistance. http://www.tipperarylibraries.ie/cashel/
Here is an 1899 Directory for Cashel and you can see the bakeries listed.
http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/directory/loc_c3.htm
Finally, links to the 1901 and 1911 censuses. The older Michael is listed in the first 1901 census record and it indicates that he was born in Co. Waterford. Only found hte younger Michael in the 1911 census so the older Michael had died.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003893134/
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Cashel_Urban/Lou…
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Cashel_Urban/Low…
The older Michael died in 1907 in the Cashel Workhouse.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…
The younger Michael died in 1928.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_retu…
Roger McDonnell
Thank you Roger, I had found the census information but not the rest. Interesting that the older Michael died in the workhouse. I'm going to have to read this all in more depth after work. I can't believe the speed of your reply, thanks again.
Hannah
Hannah,
I have a suggestion which may explain why Michael senior died in Cashel workhouse. In the 1900s there was no state healthcare system in Ireland. In general, if you needed medical treatment, you had to pay for it. However if you were in the workhouse and needed treatment, you got it free. More or less every workhouse had an infirmary attached, and Cashel certainly did.
So you do see people going to the workhouse, not only because they were destitute, but also because they were ill and couldn’t afford to pay for treatment. The official line was supposed to be that the workhouse was a last resort for those with no assets or other means of support, but I have seen a lot of people being admitted to workhouse infirmaries who, from censuses and other sources, would appear to have had some means and family to turn to. So I am not quite sure what was happening there. Perhaps they stated they had no other resources, perhaps when they saw how ill the person was some workhouse masters just took a benigner approach than might have been expected by their general reputation. A clue can sometimes be found in the workhouse admission records. If a person was admitted to the workhouse because they were destitute, you’ll just seem them recorded as admitted. However if they went straight to hospital on initial admission, then it usually says “to infirmary” or words to that effect. So that might be a clue as Michael’s circumstances. Here’s a link to information on where Cashel’s records are kept:
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Cashel/
Dear Elwyn, Thank you for that suggestion. It's possible that the family was unable to look after him financially; certainly his daughter and her children went into the workhouse in Tipperary town when she was widowed. The Cashel family weren't well off but I got the impression they managed, of course I could be quite wrong. I think I'm influenced by stories from my Aunt who used to go over from England to visit in the 1930s .
I'll follow your suggestion and look into getting access to the workhouse records and look to see where he was admitted to.
hannah
Hannah,
You've peaked my interest with your search. My family is from Cashel also and the men were Bakers for at least 3 generations.
Patrick Looby (Luby) B: 1802
Patrick Looby (Luby) D: 1879
Richard Looby (Luby) D: 1922
Jeremiah Looby (Luby) D: 1933
I don't know the name of the Bakery they were at either. Would any one have any information on this?
Regards,
Patrick
Hi Pat,
Per the 1899 street directory which Roger sent the link to there were two residents who ran bakeries.
Going and Smith bakers in Canopy Street
Miss N Hayden baker in Main Street
I've researched the first and you will be interested in this link to an article in the Post Advertiser in 1986 as both your Looby's and my Leamy's are mentioned. Per the article Going and Smith bakeries were taken over by Sweeneys in 1966 and then Sweeneys closed in 1986. Thanks to Seamus King for publishing the article on his website.
http://www.seamusjking.com/Articles%20Full/sweeneys_bakery.html
I'll add anything else I find
Hannah
Thank you Hannah! Very helpful.
I'm hoping to find more information on this. I believe both my 2nd and 3rd great grandfathers were also bakers in Cashel. Along with them are those mentioned in the article.
Regards,
Patrick
Hi Hannah,
Ive managed to do some of my family tree and come from the Leamy bakers aswell.
Michel Leamy 1782 - 1848
Son Michael Leamy 1841
but dont have any Paul as I dont have Michaels Children. Do you think these are the Michaels you are looking for??
I can send you more info.
Edwina
Sorry Hannah 2nd Michael is son of Patrick Leamy
Greetings, all. Michael Leamy here. So interesting to see my name pop up. My 2G grandfather was Michael Leamy, born in the village of Drom, County Tipperary, in 1783 or 84, the son of John Leamy. Patrick Leamy was one of his children. (My younger brother is Patrick Leamy, and my youngest brother is John Leamy.) Michael Leamy left Ireland for Canada about 1825. When his son, James Joseph Leamy was killed in 1862, Michael's grandson John Leamy (my grandfather), went to Chicago to be raised by an uncle. It appears to me that Irish names get passed around and passed down. I do not know if this branch in on the same tree as yours, but we may be related!
Michael Leamy
Hello Michael Leamy, I am your 3rd cousin 1x removed. Your 2G grandfather Michael Leamy is my 3G grandfather.
I am descended from James Joseph Leamy's brother Andrew Leamy. Do you know for sure that Michael Leamy did in fact come to Canada around 1825? I know that our 2G/3G grandmother, Margaret Marshall, and most of the children did, but have not found Michael here.
Barb Striethorst (Edmonton AB)