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Kennedy ancestors from area Templederry

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Hi genealogists

My research is the origin of my Kennedy ancestors before appearing in Co. Waterford, Ireland.

 

My gggggrandfather was Thomas Kennedy (born around 1780 latest, died early?). We do not know much about where he was born, where he lived really and where he is buried. 

We guess that he was married with Rebecca Gamble (surname not verified with record). If it was a Gamble, she was from Cullinagh, Kilmeaden, Co. Waterford, Ireland.

This thesis is sort of influenced by the fact that the Kennedy headstones are in the vicinity of the Gamble headstone and rather prominent on both sides of the lane guiding to the entrance of St. Mary’s Church Kilmeaden (today CoI). The cemetery has as well old headstones of catholic people.

 

-Thomas K. had a brother in Ballyhane, Co. Tipperary (See will of James Kennedy died 1858. James Kennedy was my ggggrandfather from Woodstown, Annestown, Co. Waterford. One witness in his will was first cousin John Kennedy ((born abt 1813, died 1897)) farmer from Ballyhane, Kilnaneave Parish, Co. Tipperary). In the death record of John Kennedy it says he was farmer from Ballyhane and his son Edmond was present at death.

- In the census 1901 of Ireland is a farmer Edmond Kennedy (born 1846, died 1906) from Ballyhane who married 1896 Anne Kennedy from Ballynahow, Ballycahill, Co. Tipperary.

Edmond married when he was 50 years old. In his marriage cert it says that he was bachelor when he married Anne Kennedy. But why did he marry so late about a year before the death of his 84 yrs old widowed father? 

In Edmond’s marriage cert the firstname of his father is John, profession farmer. My guess is that John (Edmond's father) and John the witness in James Kennedy’s will are identical.

 

- Edmond and Anne Kennedy had one (possibly only) son John Paul Kennedy (born 1898, died 1964 in Pawhuska, Oklahoma, U.S.A) who emigrated to the U.S.

 

- John Paul Kennedy marr. Vivian Pearl Simpkins (born 10 March 1897, died 5 Jan 1986). He was Lt Col US Army  WW I & WW II (Source: Osage County, Oklahoma, Cemetery:  Pawhuska Cemetery--Surnames K-L).

 

These are the siblings of John Paul Kennedy and Vivian Pearl Simpkins:

  1. John Edward, b. 1924, d. 1983, marr. Elizabeth Mera Tillotson Bartholic, b. 1929, d. 1992
  2. Mary A., b. 1925
  3. Marjorie Helen, b. 13 March 1928, d. 2015, marr. Charles Thomas Wilcox
    1. Charles Roger Wilcox, b. 1948, d. 2004
    2. John Patrick Wilcox, b. 1949, d. 2003
    3. Stephen Thomas Wilcox, b. 1952, d. 2013
  4. Vivian Clare, b. 1929, d. 2012, marr. Louis Leon Kennedy, b. 1919, d. 2014

I very much would like to find the link to Kennedy ancestry in the area Templederry, Co. Tipperary, IRL. There were brothers and sister of my gggggrandfather Thomas Kennedy, at least the father of the above John Kennedy, born abt 1813, died 1897. - I made DNA tests and have on Gedmatch Ancestors Project "Kennedys of Limerick and Tipperary" some matches in a low range showing evidence that there is a Kennedy connection. But nobody has a familytree going beyond the civil records. The church records are difficult to transcribe...  Marlise Wunderli

Miracula

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Hi,  This is John Paul Kennedy's birth record.
See below.

Margot

Margot Secrette

I have been looking into all your information.
Was your Thomas Kennedy born in Bolingbrook, this is a townland in Silvermies/Dolla?
If he was then I have more information.
Margot

Margot Secrette

Hi Margot, thank you for your interest and your reply. - I am familiar with irishgenealogy.ie/civilrecords. That is how I researched all what I found out around John Kennedey, farmer from Ballyhane, first cousin of my ggggrandfather James Kennedy. - Of Thomas Kennedy we do not know birthyear, birthplace, place where he lived, when he died and where he is buried. A guess is that he died early. There are only two sons known in the wider family, John and James K.. - There is a rumour going around that our Kennedys are connected with a Reverend Kennedy who had land in Ballyhane. This townland might have been the place to farm for the eldest of the family and possibly my Thomas Kennedy had to leave. There is also a guess that he worked for the Palliser family from Derryluskan... Marlise

 

 

 

Miracula

Margot, I just watched where Bolingbrook lies. And it is rather close to Ballyhane which is more west of Dolla. In the census 1901 is a Thomas Kennedy 35 yrs old unmarried, but this is a much too young generation. Do you have information about a Thomas Kennedy who was born prior 1800? Marlise

Miracula

Hi Marlise,
You say....
In the census 1901 is a Thomas Kennedy 35 yrs old unmarried, but this is a much too young generation.
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His Father was Stephen Kennedy and his Mother was Margaret Ryan.  On one of the childrens births it had as the address Garryard, this was crossed out and Bollingbrook entered.
I cannot find Stephen and Margaret's marriage to get his fathers name.
As you can see on the 1901 Census Bolligbrook is in the Parish of Kilmore.
This is where my Kennedy's are from. 
In Ancestry I keep getting a match to my Kennedy brothers, Michael and Matthew from Kilmore Parish with the father being Philip Kennedy.
I keep looking at this and not sure.
his isn't any of the DNA matches this, is from hard graft searching.
Michael is my line and I have all the people listed down to me, this is from c 1760
One of the earliest on line recrds is this link. to show howmant townlands in Kiilmore there are........
The Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-37 (nationalarchives.ie)

By this time of the above records my Kennedy's had moved up to areas around Borrisokane, this is where they stayed and were Blacksmiths.
I am in touch with each line from there to Australia, New Zealand and the USA.

I need to do a bit more digging to see if it is Philip Kennedy and that your Thomas is another brother to Michael and Matthew.
It may take a bit of time, lets hope we get the information.

Cheers for now
Margot 

Margot Secrette

Headstone inscriptions for most graveyards in the area including Kilmore, which you mention on line free from Tipperary studies digitisation project.
Also a group of Kennedy's had gathering in Rear Cross every year until two years ago , now they and the Ryans, have DNA group on line ,The Ryan's of Tipperary and Limerick on Facebook, also the Kennedy,s.

Christina. Irelandxo Volunteer.

ChristinaIrelandXO Volunteer

Margot, did you make a DNA test? If yes, with which company and membername?

I did it with MyHeritage, Ancestry and 23andme, I am also on Gedmatch with the kitname Miracula and Nr KD2857752.

Marlise

Miracula

Hi Marlise,
No, I have never done a DNA test, my cousin keeps telling me to have one but I wont.
I know where I come from.
I spoke to my parents over many years about family and what they did and where they went and made notes of both families.
I did get to know a lot of people in the surrounding areas and the names of the townlands.
Margot
 

 

Margot Secrette

This Father Kennedy who founded a church in Syracuse New York was very close to my ancestors who were from Templederry .

They were Bourkes. Winifred & Katherine

Father Kennedy remembered them both in his will among other people who I believe also migrated to New York from the Templederry area .

Kind Regards, Michael Ferris.

 

OUR HISTORY

In 1872 a request was made for a new parish to serve Roman Catholics residing west of Onondaga Creek.  The Reverend John J. Kennedy from Saint Mary's Parish in Albany was appointed as the first pastor.  Father Kennedy had initially been rejected for priesthood because of near blindness and vowed that, if he recovered his sight, he would dedicate a shrine or church to Saint Lucy.  So the new parish became Saint Lucy's. Some 10,000 people attended the laying of the cornerstone on June 21, 1873.  Noted architect Archimedes Russell designed the church in the decorative English Gothic style. It was built at the cost of $40,000.  The first Mass was celebrated in the church basement on the Feast of All Saints, November 1, 1873.  The first Mass in the church proper was celebrated on Christmas Day, 1875.  At the time the church comprised 1,000 families and seated about 1,400 people.  The parish school, St. Lucy's Academy, opened in 1891.

MJ Dolan

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