Dillons of Breanshabeg

Noel,

 Johanna, Josie, Josephine are  variations of the same name.

You might also find Johanna, Hannah, Anna, and Anna interchangeable.

Hope this helps.

 

This might be your ancestor...found on Ancestry.com.

NameEdmond Dillon

GenderMale

Departure Age25

Birth Dateabt 1865

Departure Date19 Jul 1890

Departure PortEngland

Ship NameCuzco

Search Ship DatabaseSearch for the Cuzco in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Destination PortMelbourne, Australia

MasterJ F Anderson

The nearest I can find is .................
Breansha Townland, Co. Tipperary (townlands.ie)
near Emly.

In the Griffiths Valuation  one Dillon is listed in South Tipperary
A Edmond Dillon
Griffith's Valuation (askaboutireland.ie)
Bartoose Townland, Co. Tipperary (townlands.ie)
This may have been Edmonds Grandfather.
The IG site is not available today  so I cannot get his birth record. I will try again, as soon s I find it I will upload it here.

The Edmond Dillon born to John and Johanna was from Cooleagh, he was still in Ireland in 1911.
 

Margot

Thanks Patricia, 

Good to know regarding the name Johanna, and perhaps he had 'modernised' the name or she was 'known as' Josephine although all official records have her as Johanna. Might be an enduring mystery. 

And yes, the Cuzco ship was the record I've got as being him, although oddly he's listed as English not Irish. It left from Liverpool so who knows what happened there and whether assumptions were made or he fibbed. 

Thanks again, 

Noel 

Thanks also Margot, 

I've found his birth but it's listed as Edmond Dillion so took a while to find. Mother is Johanna Danaher and father John Dillion. Clearly a misspelling on that one. 

However, I am wondering about the Cooleagh Edmond Dillon (married to a Johanna). I had found that previously but for some reason concluded it wasn't the Edmond who was born to John Dillon and Johanna Danaher. Are you making that connection based on his age/ DOB or is there something else you have found that confirms it's the same Edmond? There is another Edmond Dillon born in 1865 on that other side of Tipperary (I think his mother was Bridget Hickie if I remember rightly but I'll try and find it again). 

If the Breanshabeg Edmond Dillon did move to Cooleagh and was still there in 1911 then I'm back to square one - however, there is no other Danaher/ Dillon marriage with a son Edmond in Tipperary around that time I can find. Interestingly, Martin Dillon (born to the same John Dillon and Johanna Danaher) moved to Australia a couple of years after Edmond, I just can't connect them here definitively. 

I'd appreciate your advice on how you made the connection to the Cooleagh Edmond Dillon being the son of Johanna Danaher and John Dillon from Breanshabeg. 

I'm really grateful for all of the help. It's been a family mystery where Edmond's family is for many a long year. 

Cheers, 

Noel 

Noel,

Since the IG site is still down, I checked on the paid site Roots Ireland and found this....all three children have the parents John Dillon and Johanna Danaher - variations of her surname in parentheses: 

Edmond 26 Jun 1865 Bansha, RC parish Tipperary (Dannaher)

Martin 12 May 1868 Breanshabeg, RC parish Tipperary (Danaher)

Johanna 28 Aug 1879 Clonpet, RC parish Tipperary (Danagher)

The townlands of Breanshabeg and Clonpet are adjacent while Bansha is a ways further east. It's not impossible to imagine in the years between Edmond and Martin's births that the family relocated. I looked for a marriage record for John and Johanna, but could not find one.

Regards,

Hi Carolyn, 

Many thanks for the further information. 

I've found a lot of information on John Dillon and Johanna Danaher over recent months but my issue is connecting my ggrandfather Edmond Dillon with that family for certain. 

John and Johanna were married at Cullen and Latten in 14 Nov 1848 (she's listed as Danahan). 

They had 7 children I've found: 

Mary - 1849 

John - 1858

Anne - 1860

James - 1862 

Edmond - 1865

Martin - 1868 

Johanna - 1870

John Dillon snr died in 1891.

Johanna Dillon (widow) was still living in the same house in Breanshabeg in the 1901 and 1911 census with her son John and daughters Anne and Johanna. But I can't find her death details. 

There are also a lot of petty session records for John snr, John jnr and Johanna snr, a bankruptcy (John snr and jnr) and I think John Dillon snr was in prison for highway robbery between the births of Mary and John Jnr. They were otherwise very consistently living in Breanshabeg. 

Martin definitely came to Australia and died here in 1907. Did he follow Edmond? 

However, I can't yet discount the Edmond Dillon from Cooleagh as being from this family. He died in 1902 but I can't access his death certificate yet to see if his parents are listed. I'm not sure how he afforded 45 acres in Cooleagh if he's from this family, given how much they seemed to struggle and have no money. 

There is also uncertainty about my ggrandfather Edmond Dillon's birth - he was listed as 25 in 1890 on the ship to Melbourne (so birth 1865), when he married in 1900 he was listed as being 30 (so 1870 birth) and when he died in 1921 he was listed as 48 (so 1873 birth). 

The only other Dillon/ Danaher family around Tipperary I can find with a son Edmond is William Dillon and Catherine Daniher with Edmond born in 1870 in Tipperary. The DOB could work but the parents' names are getting further away from the John Dillon and Josephine Danaher listed on his wedding and death certificates. 

Hoping you can help me confirm what happened to the Edmond Dillon in this family - it seems he either left in 1890 for Australia or he moved to Cooleagh and died there is 1902. 

Alternatively, is there any Josephine Danaher and John Dillon you can find with a son Edmond born around 1865-1873?  

Many thanks, 

Noel  

 

 

Noel,

I saw your (I think it's yours) Ancestry tree with Edmund's Australian death index that shows his parents'names as you mention. Also, given that he named a daughter Josephine and a son John, I think both of these are good indicators you have the correct family. I did not locate another Edmond in that time period you ask about - with those parents. If the Cooleagh Edmond died in Cooleagh in 1902, how can he be your relation? He never went to Australia...there are no parents listed in the Irish death records..only one informant, and in his case, it was his wife Johanna. 

Finally, I would not spend too much time concerned about self-reported birth dates on immigration, census, or other records post immigration as folks often didn't mark their DOB as we do today. In my own family, my great grandfather was born about 1862 in an area in Roscommon that didn't keep records until 1865. He self-reported a younger age on his immigration record, birth dates between 1866 & 1868 on US census records, and then someone put an 1870 birth year in his obituary and on his headstone. 

Regards,

Many thanks Carolyn, 

That all makes sense to me.

Yes, I wasn't thinking the Edmond Dillon in Cooleagh was my ancestor, I was more concerned that he might have in fact been John and Johanna's son and therefore my ggrandfather was not from that family at all. However, given there are no parents being recorded on the Cooleagh Edmond Dillon's death certificate I don't think there's yet anything that links him to that family. 

On the other hand it seems at this point unlikely my ggrandfather Edmond is from any other family than John and Johanna. The only issue being the name he consistently used for his mother as Josephine instead of Johanna (but it seems you and others don't see that as an unusual thing). As we have both found, there is no Josephine Danaher married to a John Dillon around that time (let alone also with a son Edmond). 

One other small piece I was told was that my ggrandfather was a policeman in Ireland before coming to Australia in 1890 but I can find no record to support that - I wondered if he might have been part of something else he later called 'police'? 

I appreciate all of your assistance again, 

Noel