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O'Briens from the 1851 census in Aghnameadle

TipperaryAghnameadle (Tipperary)

John Thomas O'Brien, born 25 March in Tipperary, son of Patrick O'Brien, went to America in 1854.  Those are the only positive facts I have about my great Grandfather's background.  Recently I found a search of  the 1851 census in Ireland ---

Search in census of 1851 Ireland census:
John O'Brien (or Brien)
Parents - Patrick & Elizabeth (or Betsy)
Residence in 1851:
County: Tipperary N.R.?
Barony: Ormond 
Parish: Aghnameadle
Town: Toomyvara
Street: a number of names are crossed out and the finally it says Church St.

This is the closest I've come to finding a possible clue.  Does anyone know of any way I could find out more about this family so I might eliminate them or - hopefully- do a happy dance all over the house because I might have found the correct family???

 

 

moimid

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From 1801 to 1922, there were 160 John O'Briens baptized in Tipp who were sons of Patrick O'Briens.  So more info would be needed to identify your John's family.

About what year was he born?

Who was his wife? his children? his siblings?

Where did he emigrate to?

What was his occupation?

Any info you can supply would be helpful.

glanvil3@aol.com

Thank you, Patricia for your suggestions.

As I mentioned, John Thomas O’Brien was born March 25, 1842 to Patrick and unknown O’Brien.  I am aware of no siblings though some family trees have mentioned a sister Ann born in 1937 and a sister Johanna on August 15, 1936.  No proof or source is given for either of the sisters in those family trees.

His father Patrick was a farmer in Niagara County, New York state after they immigrated in 1854, so I assume Patrick was a farmer in Ireland as well. John was a farmer all his life in America.  I have found no immigration records.  The son, John, the one I am researching, travelled to Wisconsin, likely during the Civil War, and in Fox Lake Wisconsin on November 9, 1870, he married Julia Evelyn Cruden, she being born there, her parents coming from Ireland.

moimid

John O’BRIEN is also my  2nd great grandfather Julia my great grandmother in fox lake , his father Patrick born march 17 1807. I have county cork married Anna (Ann ( Rigan or Russell ) he died march9th 1887 in Barker New York, I ha grave stone pictures , Also pictures of John n Julia O’Brien Family I have this information on Patrick I’m not sure if it helps you.or if you already have it. 

Parents

Michael O'Brien

1777-1825 

Michael O'Brien was born in 1777 in

Ireland, the son of Mary and Maurice.

He had one child with Mary Welch (O'Brien) and one other child. He died on February 6, 1825, in Clare, Ireland, at the age of 48, and was buried there.

Mary Welch

Children of Patrick and Anna 

John Thomas O...

1842-1912

Cornelelius O'B...

1843-1920

Morris O'Brien

1844-

Mary O'Brien

1849-1917

Sarah O'Brien

1851-

Patsey Obrien

1857-

James O'Brien

1880-1910

John n Julias children are

Thomas Corneli...

1871-1913

Mayme O Brien

1874-1951

Amelia Agnes...

1876-1957

Teresa O Brien

1878-1947

John Obrien

1880-

Julia Obrien

1882-

Francis Tobias...

1883-1951

Pamphalous Pa...

1889-1951

William C Obrien

1892-1935William being my great grandfather 

katierae1971

John O’BRIEN is also my  2nd great grandfather Julia my great grandmother in fox lake , his father Patrick born march 17 1807. I have county cork married Anna (Ann ( Rigan or Russell ) he died march9th 1887 in Barker New York, I ha grave stone pictures , Also pictures of John n Julia O’Brien Family I have this information on Patrick I’m not sure if it helps you.or if you already have it. 

Parents

Michael O'Brien

1777-1825 

Michael O'Brien was born in 1777 in

Ireland, the son of Mary and Maurice.

He had one child with Mary Welch (O'Brien) and one other child. He died on February 6, 1825, in Clare, Ireland, at the age of 48, and was buried there.

Mary Welch

Children of Patrick and Anna 

Johanna O'Brien

1836-1923

Ann O'Brien

1837-1918

John Thomas O...

1842-1912

Cornelelius O'B...

1843-1920

Morris O'Brien

1844-

Mary O'Brien

1849-1917

Sarah O'Brien

1851-

Patsey Obrien

1857-

James O'Brien

1880-1910

John n Julias children are

Thomas Corneli...

1871-1913

Mayme O Brien

1874-1951

Amelia Agnes...

1876-1957

Teresa O Brien

1878-1947

John Obrien

1880-

Julia Obrien

1882-

Francis Tobias...

1883-1951

Pamphalous Pa...

1889-1951

William C Obrien

1892-1935William being my great grandfather 

katierae1971

Thank you, KO, for the information you have given me.  I have seen this information on the internet in different family trees, but not with any sources so I've never been sure if it was correct.  Amelia Agnes O'Brien is my grandma.  I have proof that John Thomas and Julia lived with John's Father, Patrick in Niagara, New York.  At that time Patrick was married to Ann Rigan which would lead me to think she is John's mother, yet when Julia gave the information for John's death record she says Patrick was his father but his mother is marked as unknown.  You would think if she lived with the woman for four years or so, she would have remembered Ann was her name -- unless John Thomas was the son of an earlier marriage.  I've been sort of reluctant to just jump on the Patrick O'Brien and Ann Rigan boat without some proof.

If we can carry this further please write to me ay moimid@telus.net

Thanks for any help or proof or sources you can give

moimid

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