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Barrett/Regan Loughglynn Roscommon

RoscommonTibohine (Roscommon)

Hello,

I have recent found the Philadephia Passenger List for the "Haverford" September 30, 1907. Listed is a Winifred Barrett, aged 17 years. It lists her father as John Barrett of Driney, Loughglynn.

Additionally, I have found this John Barrett and family in the 1901 census.

Winifred Barrett was traveling to America at the request of her Aunt Mrs. Mary Dougherty (nee Barrett). I KNOW that Mrs. Mary Dougherty is burried in our family plot in Philadelphia. I KNOW that Mrs. Mary Dougherty's mother is also called Winifred Barrett nee Regan.

The elder Winifred (Regan) Barrett is listedin the 1901 census as themother in law in the household of William Scally andher daughter Honoria Barrett Scally.

I have threequestions:

1. I am having difficulty connecting the young Winifred Barrett to Mary Barrett Dougherty. (yes a cousin but......thru whom) I can not locate the Doughertys.

2. I am related thru the Regan branch. Mary Barrett Dougherty is burried with my ggreatgrandmother, Annie Regan Carroll. I am having difficuly connecting Winifred Regan Barrett to the Annie Regan.Are there other Regan families?

3. There are several Barretts listed on this page as current residents in the area.Perhaps, just perhaps......there is a small connection??? That would be wonderful.

Thank you very much for taking the time to read my questions and any help you may be able to provide is so greatly appreciated.

Nicole Wenzel

IrelandXO member

19 replies

Nicole:

Did you find Mary Dougherty in the 1910 or 1920 census in Philadelphia? Do you have an approximate age? Full civil registration started in Ireland in 1864. I found two civil birth index records in 1869 in the Castlereagh registration district. One was for a Mary Barrett and the other a Mary Anne Barrett. I'm wondering if one or the other is Mary Barrett Dougherty. Likely she married in Philadelphia. Dougherty is usually from Co. Donegal and there were many Donegal immigrants who went to Philadelphia.

I assume Mary Barrrett was the sister of John Barrett and Winifrid was her niece.

I looked at the 1855 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Tibohine parish and there was a John Barrett living in Driney townland. Possibly he was the deceased husband of the 86 year old Winifred Barrett.http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/roscommon/tibohine.htm

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you so much for getting back to me sooo quickly, Roger!  I didn't want to make my first letter too lengthy.  I do have some additional information on Mary Barrett DOugherty and her mother Winifred Regan Barrett.  

Winfrediam Regan (1822) (daughter of Edmundi Regan and Brigidae Glackin) married Michalis Barrett in 1835 (lds film 989753).  They had five children. Mary, Michael, Catherine, Anne and Honoria.  

I have Mary Barrett Dougherty in the 1910 Philadelphia Census and again on her 1911 Death Certificate.  I would not have know she was a relation except she is burried in the family plot in Holy Cross Cemetary in Philadelphia.  

I have recently discovered a Passenger list for Winifred Barrett (age 17)  It states she was called for by her aunt, Mary Dougherty (at Mary Barrett Dougherty's address in Philadelphia) and that her father is John Barrett of Driney Loughglynn.  The rest of what I have is listed above.  

I am going to look into the Griffith's valuation page you attached. Thank you so much. 

I had no idea that Doughert'ys were concentrated in Donegal.  Again thank you very much for that!

Would you happen to have any thoughts on the Regans?  Mary Barrett Dougherty (Daughter of Winifred Regan Barrett) is burried in Philadelphia with Annie Regan Carroll.  Annie Regan Carroll is my gggrandmother.  I have some sibling info on Winifred Regan Barrett and Annie is not listed among them.  

Thank you again and again.  This is the most headway I have made on this branch of my family since I started researching years ago!

Nicole

 

 

IrelandXO member

Hi Nicole,

I saw your post and thought I would add my input.

When I requested information on the cemetery plot of my great grandparents, It showed 21 people buried (this was common in the 1800's) in the grave with them. It also showed who purchased the plot...No one in our family knew the surnames listed. This lead me to research all the names and happily lead me to the 1901 census where my great grandmother lived with her married daughter and her husband was the owner of the plot....with this I found living family.

Happy hunting,
Suz Fitzpatrick-Amrhein
Pittsburgh, PA, USA

Suz139

Hi Suz!

Thanks so much!  I LOVE the help!  You  are soooo  right.  Reseraching everyone in the family plot is just how I found Mary Barrett Dougherty and consequently, this whole family branch!  Would love to find living relatives from this branch!  Fingers crossed, they might be able to answer sooo many questions.  

Happy Hunting to you also.

NIcole

IrelandXO member

Hi Suz!

Thanks so much!  I LOVE the help!  You  are soooo  right.  Reseraching everyone in the family plot is just how I found Mary Barrett Dougherty and consequently, this whole family branch!  Would love to find living relatives from this branch!  Fingers crossed, they might be able to answer sooo many questions.  

Happy Hunting to you also.

NIcole

IrelandXO member

Nicole:

I looked at the 1855 Griffiths ( link in my first message) and there were many, many Regans in Tibohine parish and two a Martin and James in Driney.

You mentioned that Winifrid Regan Barrett had five children including an Anne. Is it possible that this Anne is the Anne Regan Carroll?

Also, how old was Mary Barrett Dougherty in the 1910 census?

 

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Roger, 

Yes!!!  I see the Regan's!!!  Thank you soooo much.  

I have to try to figure the connection.  I knew my g-grand mother very well.  Her mother was Annie Regan Carroll. So, I am assuming the Winifred Regan Barrett was an aunt to Annie Regan Carroll.

 It was in the Carroll family plot that we found Mary Barrett Dougherty.  Her death certificate lead me to Michael Barrett and Winifred Regan Barrett (her parents)  So I am assuming Mary Barrett Dougherty and Annie Regan Carroll (my g-g-grandmother) were cousins.   Also, my grandmother mentioned, just once, an Aunt Winnie, which I now assume is the young Winifred Barrett from Loughglynn.  Again, cousins.  

Still trying to find Annie Regan Carroll's family which I am hoping are one of the Regans YOU found on the 1855 Griffiths.  Which is so perfect because we THINK Annie Regan Carroll was born right around 1855!!!!   

I am so excited!  I think we are really close!  

I don't know how to thank you, everyone, for the guidance!  

Also, you asked how old Mary Barrett Dougherty was in the 1910 census.  She was 65.  Her death certificate the next year confirms that.  

IrelandXO member

Nicole:

Just to clarify about the Griffiths. In addiiton to the size of the land holding and the taxes owed, the only info is the name of the head of household and the townland. Spouses and children are not listed. The 1851 and 1861 censuses had that info but unfortunately all the 19th century censuses were destroyed.

So Mary Barrett Dougherty was born around 1845 which was before the start of full civil registration of births, marriages and deaths.

 

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks for clarifying the Griffiths for me, Roger.  I guess that means I am not as close as I thought I was.  I suppose I will persue the Winifred Regan Barrett living with William Scelly in 1901.  Perhaps I will find a death certificate for her.  I will also keep my fingers crossed that I can possibly connect with a living relative to the Barretts/Regans.

Thanks so much for your guidance!

Nicole

IrelandXO member

Nicole:

This is the likely civil death index record for Winifred Barrett. A death record will show the cause of death, where the deceased lived and the name of the informant and usually how the informant related to the deceased. You can get a copy from the General Register Office for around 4 euros. Instructions are below the index record.

Roger

 

First Name Winifred
Last Name Barrett
Year 1902
Year Of Death 1902
Registered Quarter/Year Jul - Sep 1902
Age 85
Year Of Birth 1817
Registration District Castlereagh
Volume 4
Page 70

Go to this link http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx In the middle of the page there are links for birth, marriage or death certificates. Hit the link for the form you want. You will likely get a screen asking for a User Name and Password. (This is a program bug that the GRO has to correct). Hit cancel and the appropriate form should come up. Print the form and complete the requested information. Also provide the information from the index record--quarter/year of the event, registration district and the volume and page number where the event is recorded. Make sure you ask for a copy which costs around 4 euros. ( A cert costs closer to 20 euros). You can also ask the GRO to e-mail the copy back to you.

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Roger!!!  

Oh my goodness!!!  Thank you so much for this!!  I am doing this right now!!  May I ask how you did this???  

It's so crazy, I was just in Ireland 2 weeks ago on a tour with my mother.  I discovered this connection just days after we returned! 

Thank you so so much!!!

Nicole

IrelandXO member

Nicole:

I have a subscription to www.findmypast.ie  They have all the civil index records for births, deaths and marriages until 1958. You have to understand registration districts to use this this service. Find My Past may not be cost effective for the individual researcher but it is very useful for someone who spends a lot of time assisting people who post messages on the Ireland XO message board.

A free alternative is www.familysearch.org   This is a site maintained by the Mormon Church. They don't have all the civil records that Find My Past has but they do have a lot of Church records.

 

Roger

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Roger ~

I do a good bit of research using family search, I actually am ordering two films looking for additional siblings of Winifred Regan Barrett.  but yes, I hit walls with them.  Thank you so much for using your subscription to help people do this!  You truely have a possion for geneology!  

Nicole

IrelandXO member

Hi Nicole. My great-grandfather was Charles O'Neill Conroy who was a very prominent Newfoundlander. His father was James Gervé Conroy who was born I believe at Frenchpark, but grew up at Raheen, about 4 miles distant from Elphin. My grandfather's eldest Jim was a lawyer and President of the Benevolent Irish Society. in 1929-30 he was writing Matthew Barrett, who was a bank manager with the Bank of Ireland in Cork. Matthew's brother was Stiofán, who had a daughter Síla, whom Padraig Pearse was godfather to, and a son Ciarán who was a well-known Irish language writer. The father of Matthew and Stiofán was a Mr. Barrett, who married Theresa O'Beirne, whose mother was Anne, one of the three Garvey sisters. I don't know where the Barretts lived specifically, but they grew up with James Gervé Conroy, and the letters describe some details about their family and Meelick House where Mr. Barrett and Theresa O'Beirne lived umtil the Restoration, when the property of Owen O'Beirne was appropriated by protestant trustees. I wonder if this Mr. Barrett is a relation ?

O'Maoilchonaire

Ó Maolchonaire:

Unfortunately the Barretts of Loughlynn / Tibohine are no relation to the Barretts of Meelick you mention...

Stiofán Bairéad of Meelick House and his siblings are Barretts of Croghan (parish of Killummod, Boyle). His father, Stephen Barrett Esq. (1828-1900) was born in Finnor. [ https://www.logainm.ie/en/42997?s=finnor ] He was a Barony Constable & strong farmer in Meelick, Kilmore, Co Roscommon. Kilmore parish is located east of Croghan in the barony of Ballintobber (2½ miles from Drumsna, on the road to Elphin. [Meelick = https://www.logainm.ie/en/43033 ]

On 2 March 1857, Stephen Barrett Esq. married Cecilia Elizabeth O’Beirne (1824–1896) daughter of Thomas O’Beirne Esq. of Feeragh, in Dangan Chapel. By 28 February 1858 [GV], he is recorded at farm #2, Meelick. There, he was leasing 101 acres and a house rated at £3 per annum. Barrett held practically the whole townland. He also extended his holding to include lands in the townlands of Scrabagh, Roo and Kilcock (ajoining Meelick on its northern boundary). Cecilia (O'Beirne) Barrett, died age 72 on 23 April 1898.  Stephen senior, “gentleman farmer”, followed her 2 years later. He died on 14 October 1900, age 72.  They were interred at the Barrett family plot in Killapoge Cemetery, Croghan.

Stephen Barrett's will was executed by his son, Matthew James G. Barrett (1863-1935) the banker you mentioned. (While working in Killaloe, Matthew J. married Lizzie Galwey of Lisduff, Nenagh).

However it was the eldest son, who inherited the family property. Thomas J. Barrett (1862-1932) was a 'gentleman farmer' at Meelick House. He also owned plots of land in Carrick-on-Shannon near Market Square. Thomas' son, Stephen J. Barrett (b.1900) inherited but sold all in 1945. 

Not to be confused with...

Stephen Barrett, better known as Stiofáin Bairéad (1867-1921) was a founding member of the Irish language revivalist movement, Conradh na Gaeilge. Stephen made an important contribution to the history of Ireland. He was Treasurer of the Gaelic League and a great friend of Patrick Pearse, and of Dr. Douglas Hyde, (also a Roscommon man and the first President of Ireland). He married Siúbhan Ní Neachtáin from Galway and raised a family in Blessington Street, Dublin. 

[See parish of "Kilmore" for a full post on Stiofán Bairéad]

 

I hope some of this information can lead you back to Meelick House and help you with your search!

[ see https://www.logainm.ie/en/43033 ]

 

 

 

 

Rua

Hello to all!!

My husband and I are returning to Ireland 10/31/17, yipee! We would like to visit Roscommon and perhaps visit the area where the Regan/Barret gggrandparents were from, conduct some research even.  

Is 'Driney' a place that is accessible? Is there a local church that is perhaps, still active or a history center where I might be able to reach out to and make a visit?  

I see the Cuiltyboe Cemetary has several Regans interred.  (Although I am still trying to work out which ones are 'ours' specifically.  

Any direction would be most appreciated! 

Thank you so very much,

Nikki Wenzel

 

Nicole

Hi there Rua, sorry to miss your response until now. Some really great information there, but some of it must be scrambled, Stiofán Bairéad of Conradh na Gaeilge was a son of Stephen Barrett and Cecilia O'Beirne, and thus a younger brother of Thomas and Matthew, who both were bank managers according to his bio. His sisters who were nuns were how my grandpa's eldest brother James O'Neill Conroy was introduced to Matthew when they corresponded in 1929-1930. Jim died suddenly of an aneurysm after a hot bath soon after. http://www.ainm.ie/Bio.aspx?ID=1

O'Maoilchonaire

Nicole:

Maybe one of our local people in Ireland will have better information for you.

The church you want is Our Lady Of Good Counsel in Loughlynn. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughglinn

Driney is just to the northeast of the church but you would need to ask a local for directions. 

Not sure where you are coming from to get to Loughlynn. Where are you staying?

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hello Roger!  Thank you so uch for getting back to me!!

We are still finalizing our plans.  Depending on timing of a ferry to/from the Aran Islands we will go to Roscommon from Donegal or from Galway.  Not sure or reservations yet.  Would like to stay in Roscommon if the timing worked out well.  

Thank you for the name of the church and the link to further information about Our Lady of Good Counsel.  

I will be continuing our Regan/Barret/Scally research until we depart, keeping my fingers crossed I can make those few final connections!

Thank you again!!

Nicole!!!

 

 

Nicole

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