Townland of Ardnaglug

Hi Marie,

Could you clarify, are you looking for more information about the townland, or would you like to post this information about Ardnaglug on the Moore parish page? Or would you like to post this information on a separate Ardnaglug townland page?

If so, you would need to become a Parish Admin for Moore. You can find out about this here: http://www.irelandxo.com/become-parish-admin

Please make sure you link anyone else in your family who is interested in their Irish heritage to our site - and indeed anyone else you know of Irish heritage.

Kind regards,

Sinead Cooney

Genealogist (Ireland XO)

Hi Sinead,

 

At this stage I will not request to become  Parish Admin for Moore parish but I will mention same to some people in the parish.

 

I think your suggestion of a separate page for "Ardnaglug" would be good.  How could I do this?

 

Kind regards,

 

marie

Hi Marie,

Please let people in your local community know about Ireland Reaching Out. It is this type of community spirit that makes our project unique and it makes all the difference for informing our diapora about the wonderful place their ancestors hailed from.

Please contact Mark Conroy our Web Manager for information about becoming a Parish Admin or about setting up an Ardnaglug townland page: mconroy@irelandxo.com

Kind regards,

Sinead

 

To whom it concerns

 

I am currently researching my wife’s great grandparents and great great grandparents I have included below a copy of their marriage and death certs.

 

we have tracked them to a towns land of Gortnasharvoge in creag parish also coming up is place called dramalaga in Moore and some place called Bitterfield i have not found Bitterfield on a map, maybe it is  a house name

 

could you be of assistance to me in any of the following information

 

Where are church of Ireland and catholic records of Baptisms Marriages and deaths for this area held

 

Am I correct that the parishes of kilclooney and creagh are currently the town of Ballinasloe

 

what are the names of the grave yards in this area and is there any lists of gravestones available

 

the names I am looking for in the area are Kilmartins , Taylors and Fallons , we do not know where Thomas and deborah Taylor are buried is there any burial records for the time

 

Are there any Tithes applotment books available for the area

 

I hope you can be of assistance to us, we hope to visit the area in the next 2 weeks or so and stay in the area to research, we are living in limerick

 

Kind regards

 

John Hassett

 

 

 

 

 

 

Church Marriage Record

Date of Marriage:      10-Feb-1865

Parish / District:         Kilclooney                   County:     Co. Galway

Husband             Wife

Name:       Richard     Taylor                 Mary          Kilmartin

Address:    Bitterfield, Galway              Dramalga, Not Recorded

Denomination:                     

Occupation:       Farmer               Not Recorded

Age: Ful             Ful

Status:       Bachelor             Spinster

Husband's Father                Wife's Father

Name:       Thomas     Taylor                 Thomas     Kilmartin

Address:                      

Denomination:                     

Occupation:       Farmer               Farmer

                            

Witness 1            Witness 2

Name:       Pat   Kilmartin            Edward Ramsay         Harrison

Notes:

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Officiant: James Ashe Rector of Moore

Licence / Banns: Licence

Church: Ballinasloe

 

 

 

 

 

Civil Death Record

Name:       Thomas     Taylor                 Date of Death:  21-Jan-1870     

Age: 72               Parish / District:         CREAGH

Address:    Bitterfield Moore                 County:     Co. Galway

Status:       Widower             Denomination:  Civil Parish / District

Occupation:       FARMER          Sex:  Male

Graveyard                   Informant

Graveyard:                           Relationship:     Present At Death

Parish:                          Name:       Taylor Richard

County:                        Address:    Bitterfield

    

Civil Death Record

Name:       Deborah    Taylor                 Date of Death:  18-Jul-1866      

Age: 62               Parish / District:         CREAGH

Address:    Bitterfield Moore                 County:     Co. Galway

Status:       Married              Denomination:  Civil Parish / District

Occupation:       NO OCCUPATION FARMERS WIFE                 Sex:  Female

Graveyard                   Informant

Graveyard:                           Relationship:     Present At Death

Parish:                          Name:       Taylor Richard

County:                        Address:    Bitterfield

Dear John,

I will try to be of some help.

The Church records etc may be available online.  Go to www.rootsireland.ie .  Then select County Roscommon.  Then click on  sources list for each individual County Genealogy Centre .  Here you will see what records for Moore are available from this website.  I believe these are also available from the genealogy service at Strokestown.

I have never heard of Bitterfield, Moore.  Drumalga is located a few miles from Moore church. 

Creagh and Kilclooney are in Ballinasloe Parish and located near Ballinasloe. There is a cemetery opposite Creagh church, less than a mile from Ballinasloe.  There may have been a cemetery in Kilclooney. I do not know of any gravelists except online at above or maybe other websites.

I do not know about the availability of tithe applotment books.  I am sure you have looked up the Griffith Valuation at www.askaboutireland.ie . It is very useful.

To my knowledge,  Taylor is not a common name in Ballinasloe.  The Bicycle shop is run by a man by the name of Barry Taylor but I do not know if his family are from Ballinasloe originally.  The shop is located opposite Duggan Park Football Pitch. There are lots of Fallons and some Kilmartins in the area.

Did you look up the Ballinasloe website and their discussion forum.  It appears to have some knowledgeable contributors. www.ballinasloe.com. Then select forum. Then history and genealogy section.

Best of luck,

 

Marie

My husband's great-grandmother is a Kelly from Ardnaglug. I know about some of the families that Marie asked about. I just joined today because I found Marie's post, and I am looking for more information about Ardnaglug.

Hello Everyone...I am also tracing my ancestors, and Ardnaglug keeps popping up.  The primary family is Burke, in particular Patrick Burke (b.1831) or Delia/Bridget Galvin (b1832) and children Martin, William, Daniel, Edward/Edmund, Mary, Thomas F, Delia, James, Catherine/Katie.  Plus one more: Patrick W., who moved to Massachusetts and is a direct ancestor (b. 1857, married Mary Elizabeth Hessian).  All were either born in, lived in, or lived in and moved Ardnaglug for some time.  A few moved to US.  Anyone with any info, or advice is much appreciated!!!  Also, if you are Burke descendants, I am happy to offer what I have too if you don't already have it. 

Much luck and good fortune!

Brad

Hello Brad,

I have an extensive tree for this family. The Patrick Galvin in my version of the tree is Patrick J Galvin, Born 1870 Ardnaglug. He married Margaret Reilly in February 1892 (Both parents are named in full as Patrick Burke & Bridget Galkvin). The record states it was his first marriage. 

There were only two births in the marriage in Malden, Massachusetts

Mary A Burke 23 May 1892 - 07 Dec 1893

James W Burke 23 Jul 1895 - 18 Sep 1957

Neither of these married or had children (that I can find)

 

Do you have any documents that links your Patrick to Bridget Galvin. I have a sneaky feeling we might have two different Patricks. My Burke Tree is on Ancestry if you send me a contact email address I can use it to invite you to the tree.

 

My email address is nicholsonollieATgmail.com (use the @ symbol instead of AT)

 

Regards,

 

Ollie

 

 

Hello, All,

 

I am a descendant of the U.S. immigrant, Edward J Fallon, who arrived in Boston, with his brother, Thomas, in 1856.  The naturalization sponsors for both Fallon men were David P Crosby and John Killian.  Mr. Crosby kindly stated on his own naturalization petition that he was from Highbell, County Roscommon.  I see there are Fallons and Killians buried in Kilgegley.

Edward married Margaret Sheehan, of Croom, Limerick, in Boston in 1860, and they had their first child, Margaret T Fallon, there.  The marriage record cit Edward's father as Thomas and his mother as Mary.  Griffiths Valuations and Tithe Applotment books show a prevalence of Thomas and John Fallons in Ardnaglug, but I have been unable to locate birth records for either immigrants, Edward or Thomas, and no likely mother to them named Mary.  Help would be appreciated!

I have also only been able to trace the family forward in Ireland to 1911, and understand that the town was put up for sale in 1827.  If there are still Fallons in the area, I'd love to connect with them, and am planning a trip there in September.  I have current photos of what I believe are the Thomas and John properties, but would love to be in contact prior to arrival!

To finish up with our Edward and Marrgaret by 1866, the family was on Duncan St. in San Francisco, initially living with Thomas, and his wife, also, Margaret.  By 1860, Edward had moved down the street and the family had added 5 more children.  Thomas and Margaret had three, and passed on their home for several generations here, too.

Many, many thanks,

Susan Wight, St. Helena, CA

 

 

 

Hi Susan,

I could not find a Highbell in Roscommon or any other part of Ireland. www.townlands.ie

Ardnaglug is just outside of Shannonbridge village and there are definitely Fallons families still living in the area.

Have you tried looking in https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/  for family info, I think its very good.

Rgds Noel

Hi Susan,

Apologies I got that wrong, sorry for any confusion.

Ardnaglug is actually at the opposite side of the parish of Moore.

Link to Griffiths Map of area  where the 2 red squares meet at the top.

 

Attached are the original ledger pages with the map references. But unfortunately one section of the map doesn’t have the corresponding map reference numbers to link to a property.

 

This link is to the parish church register baptisms & marriages.

 

In 1911 there were 23 Fallons living in Ardnaglug you don’t happen to know which family were connected Thomas or Edward to?

 

Rgds Noel

Dear Noel,

Thank you so much for taking time to offer suggestions; I know there is more to find!

Regarding 'Highbell," I did work with an Irish genealogist on this, and on the Fallons. His assessments was that Highbell" was an Americanization of "Ard na Glug," meaning "Height of the Bell." This translation, either of the words themselves, or a slight adjustment in stating a birthplace, seems to have done for some level of ease in the new country. Another of my great-grandparents was from Kilnarovanagh, County Kerry, but said she was from "Listry," a nearby town that is easier to pronounce.

I have found the Griffith's Valuations you sent, and had the same issue with the maps, but the Irish genealogist was able to make a version that seems right. I don't know his source, but he's got some kind of magic, I think. I've attached the map and the photos of the two properties he sent.

I am hoping the map and photos will lead me to my Fallons in Ardnaglug as the lack of Moore parish records until after my Edward and Thomas were in the U.S. makes connecting to them to relatives in 1901 and 1911 Censuses impossible. (I like the one with John, age 60, but that's totally irrational!)

My mother's brother does have a Fallon DNA match, with the common ancestor being the father Thomas, who stayed in Ireland. the match is a descendant of the Thomas who came to America with Edward. She, independently, arrived at the hypothesis that the mother of the immigrant Thomas and Edward was Mary Mannion, but that is yet to be proved.

I will be bringing a few Ancestry DNA kits with me to Ireland, and hope to be able to further both the genealogical and the genetic aspects of my ancestry, but, it seems, that is dependent on helpful people such as yourself and the others on this project site who have many more clues that I do and might be able to connect my guy in the U.S. in 1860 with the right family and family stories in Ireland.

Thanks, again, so very much for taking the time to think about this and offer suggestions!

Go raibh maith agat,
Susan

Hi Susan,

 

It dawned on me as I was lying in bed last night that it was the Irish for Ardnaglug, my Irish Teacher from school wont have been impressed with me. 

 

If your genealogist is correct this map narrows it right down, I’m in the process in finding out if these farms are still owned by Fallon families.

 

Will let you know how I get on.

 

Rgds Noel

Hi Susan,

I got a phone number of someone that only lives over the road from these houses & would be a very good person to ask.

A family member told me that neither of those houses have Fallons living in them currently.

But yet could still be connected? Example the Fallons wife’s nephew or family member inherits the land.

Before I call that person I was hoping to narrow the net a little.

In 1901 there were 3 households of Fallons in Ardnaglug. Link 

Were you able to identify any brother, sisters, parents of Edward J & Thomas Fallon that stayed at home in 1856?

Rgds Noel

Hi Susan, 

Hello again!  We shared some information about the Fallon family last year by email.  It is nice to see the map of Ardnaglug with the Fallon households marked.  It's great to hear that you will be visiting Ireland soon!

Noel:  Thank you for your help with the Fallon family. 

My 4x great-grandmother was Margaret Fallon who married Patrick Kenny.

I think I remember that we did not share DNA, but that we both share DNA with the Winkert family (also Fallon descendents).  So we might be connected to the same Fallon family.  I have a few DNA matches to descendents of Fallons from Ardnaglug.  My DNA matches are descendents of Thomas P. Fallon and Bridget (Delia) McKeoghn.  Two of my DNA matches are descendents of their daughter, Annie Fallon, born 1868, who married Patrick Downey and emigrated to Boston.  Another DNA match is through Annie's brother, John Fallon and his wife Catherine Murray.  (This DNA match lives in Ballinasloe currently and his mother was from Ardnaglug).  I am guessing that this is John and Kate Fallon in the census records?  I have a couple of other Fallon DNA matches, but they are not able to go back this far in their family trees. 

I recently spent some time looking at my Kenny ancestors and their neighbors living in Boston, Massachusetts.  I found that my Kennys lived on the same street as several Killion families for about 20 years (1855-1875).  The Killion family is mentioned in some old letters that I inherited, and I suspected that these Kennys and Killions were related, but it took a while to figure out the connection.   It looks like these two families were connected through the Fallon family.  There were four Killion brothers living near the Kennys (William, James, Thomas, and Michael - born between 1809 and 1828).  The Kennys' parents were Patrick Kenny and Margaret Fallon and the Killions parents were Michael Killion and Mary Fallon.    So I am guessing that Margaret Fallon and Mary Fallon were sisters and that all of these neighbors were really first cousins.  All of these cousins immigrated around the same time and stuck together in Boston.  I am still not sure of where Margaret and Mary Fallon fit into the Fallon family tree, but based on the DNA matches, I am fairly sure that they were from Ardnaglug.  From some baptismal records (from St. Peter's Athlone), this Killion family was originally from Meehanbee/Mehanboy townland, which is closer to Athlone.  The Kennys are probably from Moore South or America townland.

Anyway, lots of details here.  Let me know if you have any questions.  

I am very excited to hear that you are visiting Ireland and taking DNA kits along with you!  I hope you are able to find some Fallon cousins!  I'd be very interested to hear if there are still Fallon descendents living in Ardnaglug or close by.  Noel, thank you for your help!

 

Eileen Shaughnessy Downey

Richmond, VA

eshaughn@hotmail.com

Hi.

Attached is are the two properties of interest.

So currently the house (A) #19 Tomas Fallon Sr. is occupied by a Joe Fallon, so I will be taking to him this week hopefully. I should know him as we worked for the same agricultural contractor quite a number of years ago.

The other house (B) #16 John Fallon changed from Fallon’s to Kelly’s & the guy that has it now I went to school with. So I will see if I can get a number for him also & give him a buzz.

I don’t know if you’ve even been to Ireland but you can travel that road right now using street view.  Click here

Rgds Noel

Hi,

This is a birdseye view of both census for the Fallons.

Rgds Noel

O my gosh, Noel, this is fantanstic!!!  Thank you SO much!  Your work and contacts are invaluable--and so much fun!

Yes, I have been to Ireland, but many years ago, hitchhiking with two friends.  An English friend I met on that same trip is planning to meet me in Dublin in the autumn to drive me to my ancestral homes in Roscommon, Limerick and Kerry.   'Hard to believe!

Getting back to your finds. . .the birds-eye view of the Censuses is great.  Are you speculating on any of those families being mine?  Maybe Joe will help.

Again, thank you so much, Noel!

Susan (swight@napanet.net)

 

Hello All - this has been a very interesting thread.  My ancestors are from Lowtown Kilcashel, Moore Parish directly beside Ardnaglug.  I have Kenny's, Dolan's and Kelly's living in Lowtown Kilcashel between 1828 and 1911.   I also have DNA connections to Fallon's and Galvin's. I still have many unanswered questions too and am planning a trip to Ireland in 2022. My 1st GGPs John Dolan b. abt 1863 married Ann Kelly b. abt 1863,  immigrated to Boston, MA living in Jamaica Plain. John Dolan was the son of Thomas Dolan and Mary Kenny. I am on Ancestry.com and have a GEDmatch # 

Let me know if you see any connections.

Best,

Regina Cronin Walsh

PS - Noel Kelly - I was impressed with your power point presentation of Ardnaglug!  Where would one find data for present day?  I have gone onto Google Earth and see roads and homes and farms but would also like to put it together to see if I can find who lives where.  I know I have ancestors still living in Lowtown Kilcashel.    RCW

Hi Regina,

It’s a small world we live in. The first person I called to help me help Susan lives not too far from Ardnaglug, his surname is Dolan & he lives in Lowtown Kilcashel . Another reason is that because the 2nd house I referred to # 16 John Fallon was owned up to a number of years ago by Pat Fallon, the farm was left to his wife’s family which are Kelly’s from Kilcashel.

Your GGP was John Dolan was the son of Thomas & Mary. Link  Could this be them 38 years later in the 1901 census living in Lowtown Kilcashel? 

What record do you have that links John to his parents Thomas & Mary Kenny back in Ireland?

Or have you been able to make contact with those ancestors still living in Lowtown Kilcashel?

There are 2 sets of maps I use,

The 1st is Griffith-Valuation theses are from 1855 & link families to the land they leased from the landlords & show is on a map.

The 2nd is http://map.geohive.ie/ it is recent satellite images back to 1995 & then maps back to before the famine all sitting on top of one another. You just the slider to change transparency from one to another.

I love this website I’ve spent hours on it, the detail & accuracy is unreal, they managed to map all Ireland without any GPS but using chains & for the most part many match up with the satellite images.

Rgds Noel

Hi Eileen Shaughnessy Downey

I recommend you check this website out.

For example this is the record for Patrick Kenny from Attyrory getting married to Catherine Fallon from Ardnaglug just over the road.

Let me know if you get stuck or need help. :) 

Rgds Noel

Hi Noel - Yes, that is my 2nd GGPs in the 1901 Census.  In response to your question about records/documentation for John Dolan b. abt 1863 is his death record listing his parents as Thomas Dolan and Mary Kenny.  My grandmother reinforced that information to me but what also leads me to believe that this is correct is John & Ann Kelly had a son, Fr. Francis J Dolan, SJ a well known Jesuit priest in the Boston area,  who visited relatives in Lowtown Kilcashel in the 1930-1940's on a couple of occasions.  Also John & Ann's first child, Mary b. 1885 was born in Lowtown Kilcashel (not sure which house - a Kelly or Dolan house???) .  Lastly, it is strongly believed that Thomas Dolan and Mary Kenny had a daughter, Mary b. abt  1861 who married John Kelly b. 1858 Lowtown Kilcashel.  The great grandchildren of John and Mary Dolan Kelly have talked to me about their father telling them about Fr Frank Dolan who was a cousin of theirs.   

I have been working closely with Moira Duffy from Moore Community Family History Group.  She has been such a great help! She explored all possibilities to obtain more information on John Dolan and Ann Kelly (appears all church records at that time have been lost).  She has touched base with two families - one a Dolan Familly and another who has a Kelly connection that I have a DNA connection to.  I am hoping to meet them when I travel to Ireland in 2022.  

Thank you for the link map.geohive.  I love looking at all kinds of maps.

Best,  Regina

Hi Noel,

Thank you so much for all of this research on the Fallons and other families!  I especially like the color-coded census listing.  I need to start making charts like that!  It is also great to see the houses and view of the area.

Thank you for sending the link to the Patrick Kenny-Catherine Fallon marriage!  I have seen that one before and wondered whether they were relatives.  Unfortunately, my Kennys left Ireland in about 1850 so it seems that their births/marriages would have been recorded before the records that are available online.  I think my Patrick Kenny and Margaret Fallon might have been married about 1805 since their children were born soon after that.  

If you happen to know any Kennys living in the area from the Moore South/America townlands, please let me know.  I think that my Kennys may have been from "America", because there is a Judith Kenny listed there in the Griffiths Valuation.  Judy later immigrated to Boston around 1855 and then ended up in Minnesota.  I believe she was the second wife of my Patrick Kenny based on an old family tree.  (I am descended from his first wife - Margaret Fallon).  A few other clues make me think that my Kennys were from somewhere around Moore South (including an old gravestone in Moore South) and I was excited to find Judy Kenny listed there in America townland.  There was a Patrick Kenny listed there in the Tithe Applotment around 1830, but there are several other Patrick Kennys in the area too.  

Again, thank you so much for all of this help!

Eileen

eshaughn@hotmail.com

 

Regina, 
 

I found one other connection between the Fallons, Dolans, and Killians.  On the Killian family tree that I put together using information from Massachusetts records, one of the Killian brothers (Michael) who was living near my Peter Kenny ancestor, was married to Ellen Dolan (1830-1896). Michael and Ellen were both born in Ireland.  Ellen's parents were Thomas Dolan and Elizabeth Fallon.  Michael's parents were Michael Killian (b. 1790) and Mary Fallon.   So many connections between these families!

I have also been in communication with Moira and Maureen Duffy, especially relating to the cemetery records in the area.  They have both been a wonderful help!

Eileen

Hi Noel - I have had a chance to use map.geohive and really like its capabilities.  Thank you again for the link.  

I am now trying to correlate property from The Tithe Applotment of 1828, Griffith's Valuation of 1855 and the 1901 and 1911 Irish Census for Lowtown Kilcashel. I wondered where I might find more information on past and present property and real estate transactions.  Where would I be able to locate this information? What government office oversees this information?

Best,    Regina

Hi Regina.

From what I know the Griffith's Valuation map is really the best way of pinpointing where a family lived, as it tells you the map reference # for the property holding. None of the others will tell you this, both the census records tell you house numbers, but these don’t correspond to a map that I know off so are off very little value.

If you can identify the holding that your ancestor had on the Griffith's Valuation map, then find the location using the Geohive maps, you can switch from the old 6" maps, to 1899-1913 maps, right up to an satellite image which some are very recent. You can now see if the house is still there, even if it’s only the walls.  If there is a modern house on the site, then there is a possibility that the family are still there. The family name may have changed purely because a daughter inherited the property & then married someone with a different surname. Irish farms I think have one of the lowest in family turnovers in the world, in that a family member for the vast majority of time took over the farm & did everything they could not to sell it but it pass it to the next generation.

If you know where the holding is located, then you could contact someone in the local community that might let you know if that family name is still there, using a site like this one. They may also help you with who was in the house in the census particularly 1911 as there is generally an overlap of people living today & back then.

Another options is the Wills database tor the civil records or church records. But ideally you need to know who was left behind when your ancestor emigrated.

Rgds Noel