Brennan and Murtagh family from 1900 - 1940 in Ballymurray

Hi Roger,  You are amazing.  I have corresponded with you through the years of researching.  And, thank you again for your assistance.  I, too, looked into the church records now available, and thought that Mary Kelly is my GGGrandmother.  But, Ellen had a sister, Beatrice, born 1880.  I cannot find her in the church records.  Also, Ellen had a sister, Catherine, who married Edward Naughton in 1909,  I came across a posting from a relative of the Luke Brennan and Mary Kelly family.  She has their death cards.  In the posting she mentions that two girls, Katherine and Bridget go to California and are nuns.  She has very detailed facts on the family.  Now, I have doubts of Mary Kelly.  There is another Luke Brennan and a Mary Lough.  But, then again, I can't find Ellen or Beatrice.  When I went to Ballymurray in 1999, I met up with the oldest resident in town.  He was 92 and he knew my GGrandfather!  Everything he said that day has been confirmed with research.  He did mention my Ellen Brennan and was trying to remember if she was a Kelly Brennan.  But, then he thought she might have come from Leitrim.  So, now I am looking through every parish in Leitrim, thinking that if Mary was from Leitrim, then maybe she went back home to have her babies.  I found that a common practice. 

In that posting I mentioned above, there was a mention of a Seamus O'Brien, at the time, a student of Berkley.  It mentioned that he went back home for a year to do research on the Brennan family and was in contact with the author of this posting.  There was an e-mail for both of them.  The author's was returned as not an active one, but, I didn't receive an error for Seamus.  So, I am hoping he might shed light on which of the Luke Brennans is mine.

Again, Roger, I so appreciate your help.  You might be interested in this story.  After posting on Rootsweb in 2006, I came in contact with a distant relative that inherited my familys possessions.  I flew to Ireland that weekend and now have my GGrandfather's RIC trunk with his  name on it and a photo album of Ellen Brennan's!  Most of the photos I don't know who they are, but I am hoping one day to learn.

Merry Christmas and God Bless you for you kindness.  Always,

Mary

Hi Mary

If the Ellen Brennan - parents Luke & Mary Kelly - is definitely yours, then the couple named another, later child Ellen, which seems strange. You may already have their marriage details + the baptisms of their children, but just in case not, here they are ...

Church Marriage Record

Date of Marriage:

08-Feb-1860

 

 

Parish / District:

KNOCKCROGHERY

 

County:

Co. Roscommon

 

Husband

 

Wife

 

Name:

Luke

Brennan

 

Mary

Kelly

 

Address:

Not Recorded

 

Not Recorded

 

Denomination:

Roman Catholic

 

Roman Catholic

 

Occupation:

 

Age:

Not Recorded

 

Status:

 

Husband's Father

 

Wife's Father

 

Name:

Not Recorded

Brennan

 

Not Recorded

Kelly

 

Address:

 

Denomination:

 

Occupation:

 

Husband's Mother

 

Wife's Mother

 

Name:

Not Recorded

Not Recorded

 

Not Recorded

Not Recorded

 

Address:

 

Denomination:

 

Occupation:

 

Witness 1

 

Witness 2

 

Name:

William

Brennan

 

Brigid

Kelly

 

Address:

 

Notes:

 

FR,EW

 

 

 

Church Baptism Record

Name:

Bridget Brennan

Date of Birth:

 

 

 

Date of Baptism:

26-Dec-1864

Address:

Not Recorded

Parish/District:

KNOCKCROGHERY

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Roman Catholic

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

William Mullen

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Mary Mullen

 

Notes:

 

FR MICHAEL HANLY

 

[ NO BIRTH DAY GIVEN I FILLED IN 11]

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

Brigid Brenan

Date of Birth:

14-Dec-1864

 

 

Registration Date:

30-Dec-1864

Address:

Lysphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brenan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Luke Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT;FATHER,CHILDS NAME;BRIDGETT

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

John Brennan

Date of Birth:

22-Jun-1867

 

 

Registration Date:

29-Jun-1867

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Male

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Luke Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT; FATHER

 

Church Baptism Record

Name:

William Brennan

Date of Birth:

07-Sep-1869

 

 

Date of Baptism:

19-Sep-1869

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KNOCKCROGHERY

Gender:

Male

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Roman Catholic

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Patrick Kelly

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Mary Connaghton

 

Notes:

 

FR E WALLACE PP

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

William Brennan

Date of Birth:

07-Sep-1869

 

 

Registration Date:

01-Oct-1869

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Male

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Luke Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT; FATHER,

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

Luke Brennan

Date of Birth:

24-Jun-1871

 

 

Registration Date:

21-Jul-1871

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Male

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Luke Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT;FATHER.

 

Church Baptism Record

Name:

Catherine Brenan

Date of Birth:

 

 

 

Date of Baptism:

21-Dec-1873

Address:

Lisfelan

Parish/District:

KNOCKCROGHERY

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Roman Catholic

 

Father:

Luke Brenan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

William Mullin

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Catherine Kilcline

 

Notes:

 

FR PH KELLY

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

Catherine Brennan

Date of Birth:

13-Dec-1873

 

 

Registration Date:

26-Dec-1873

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Luke Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT;FATHER

 

Church Baptism Record

Name:

James Brennan

Date of Birth:

23-Mar-1876

 

 

Date of Baptism:

02-Apr-1876

Address:

Lisanisque

Parish/District:

KNOCKCROGHERY

Gender:

Male

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Roman Catholic

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Peter Kelly

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Catherine Kelly

 

Notes:

 

FR PH KELLY

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

James Brennan

Date of Birth:

23-Mar-1876

 

 

Registration Date:

04-Apr-1876

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Male

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Luke Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT; FATHER

 

Church Baptism Record

Name:

Eleanor Brennan

Date of Birth:

12-Aug-1878

 

 

Date of Baptism:

17-Aug-1878

Address:

Lisaniska

Parish/District:

KNOCKCROGHERY

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Roman Catholic

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

John Kilcline

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ann Kilcline

 

Notes:

 

FR PH KELLY

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

Eleanor Brennan

Date of Birth:

11-Aug-1878

 

 

Registration Date:

10-Sep-1878

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Maria Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT;PRESENT AT BIRTH,CHILDS NAME;ELLEN

 

Church Baptism Record

Name:

Elizabeth Brennan

Date of Birth:

25-Dec-1880

 

 

Date of Baptism:

06-Jan-1881

Address:

Lisanishka

Parish/District:

KNOCKCROGHERY

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Roman Catholic

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Michael Healy

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Mary Brennan

 

Notes:

 

FR T GORDON

 

Civil Birth Record

Name:

Elizabeth Brennan

Date of Birth:

25-Dec-1880

 

 

Registration Date:

01-Feb-1881

Address:

Lisphelim

Parish/District:

KILTOOM

Gender:

Female

County

Co. Roscommon

 

Denomination:

Civil Parish

 

Father:

Luke Brennan

Mother:

Mary Kelly

Occupation:

Farmer

 

Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:

Bridget Brennan

Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2:

Ng

 

Notes:

 

INFORMANT;PRESENT AT BIRTH

 

 

 

Hi again Mary

Luke & Mary Kelly are still alive, according to the 1901 census, including son John, who is married by 1911, as follows:

1901 census

Residents of a house 9 in Lisfelim (Carnagh, Roscommon)

Top of Form

Bottom of Form

Surname

Forename

Age

Sex

Relation to head

Religion

Birthplace

Occupation

Literacy

Irish Language

Marital Status

Specified Illnesses

Brennan

Luke

86

Male

Head of Family

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer

Read and write

-

Married

-

Brennan

Mary

63

Female

Wife

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

Housekeeper

Read and write

-

Married

-

Brennan

John

30

Male

Son

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer's Son

Read and write

-

Not Married

-

Brennan

Luke

28

Male

Son

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer's Son

Read and write

-

Not Married

-

Brennan

Ellen

21

Female

Daughter

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer's Daughter

Read and write

-

Not Married

-

Brennan

Lizzie

19

Female

Daughter

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer's Daughter

Read and write

-

Not Married

-

 

1911 census

Residents of a house 3 in Lisphelim (Carnagh, Roscommon)

Top of Form

Bottom of Form

Surname

Forename

Age

Sex

Relation to head

Religion

Birthplace

Occupation

Literacy

Irish Language

Marital Status

Specified Illnesses

Years Married

Children Born

Children Living

Brennan

John

41

Male

Head of Family

Roman Cathlic

Co Roscommon

Farmer

Read and write

-

Married

-

1

1

-

Brennan

Margaret

27

Female

Wife

Roman Cathlic

Co Roscommon

-

Read and write

-

Married

-

1

1

-

Luke (the father) died on 15 Nov 1902, and left his effects to John Brennan, presumably his son ... see this site http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/results.jsp?deceasedSurname=brennan&deceasedForename=luke&beneficiarySurname=&beneficiaryForename=&dateDay=&dateMonth=&dateYear=&placeDeath=roscommon&probateOrAdministration=&search=Search

Hi

I so appreciate all your work.  I did go through the church records and believed this Luke and Mary was mine.  But the two Ellens didn't make sense to me.  You now proved that this is NOT my family.  THANK YOU.  My Ellen was married and had my grandfather by the 1901 census.  But this John might be the one that my GGrandmother is buried under.  I am now going to read the link for the effects to John.

Thank you ever so much!

Mary

Hi again Mary

Here's Catherine Brennan's marriage to Edward Naughton - did you get the Civil Cert? Perhaps that will give more info re her parents.

SR District/Reg Area - Roscommon

Marriage of EDWARD NAUGHTON and CATHERINE BRENNAN
on 18 May 1908

Party 1 Name

EDWARD NAUGHTON

Party 2 Name

CATHERINE BRENNAN

Date of Event

18 May 1908

Group Registration ID

2036934

SR District/Reg Area

Roscommon

And is this her in 1911 census?

1911 census

Residents of a house 5 in Bogganfin (Mote, Roscommon)

Top of Form

Bottom of Form

Surname

Forename

Age

Sex

Relation to head

Religion

Birthplace

Occupation

Literacy

Irish Language

Marital Status

Specified Illnesses

Years Married

Children Born

Children Living

Naughton

Edward

30

Male

Head of Family

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer

Read and write

-

Married

-

-

-

-

Naughton

Catherine

36

Female

Wife

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

-

Read and write

-

Married

-

3

1

1

Naughton

Patrick

2

Male

Son

Roman Catholic

Co Roscommon

-

Cannot Read

-

Single

 

Catherine/Kate was born c 1875, so I wonder if this is her on the 1901 census, single, with father Luke, widower, & other siblings? (YOU WILL NOTE FROM ELLEN'S MARRIAGE TO MURTAGH THAT HER ADDRESS IS NOTED AS CORRIGEAN, PROBABLY THE SAME PLACE).

1901 census

Residents of a house 1 in Carrigeens (Kilteevan, Roscommon)

Top of Form

Bottom of Form

Surname

Forename

Age

Sex

Relation to head

Religion

Birthplace

Occupation

Literacy

Irish Language

Marital Status

Specified Illnesses

Brennan

Luke

62

Male

Head of Family

Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer

Read

-

Widower

-

Brennan

James

32

Male

Son

Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer's Son

Read and write

-

Not Married

-

Brennan

Kate

28

Female

Daughter

Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmer's Daughter

Read and write

-

Not Married

-

Brennan

Patrick

19

Male

Son

Catholic

Co Roscommon

Farmers Son

Read and write

-

Not Married

-

Finally, how do you know Ellen had a sister Beatrice, who was born c 1880?

Cheers

 

Hi Again,

Tomorrow I am pulling out my Brennan bin with all my documents to see exactly what I have.

To answer your question, Beatrice moved to New York in 1907.  She married Hugh Coyle before 1915 census. Can't locate their marriage record.  They lived in Queens New York and never had any children.  On their Naturalization papers Beatrice states that she was born in 1880 in Carrigeens, Roscommon.  Still can't find their death records.  I am not sure they died in New York.

When I went to Ireland for my GGrandfather's RIC trunk, I met cousins from Catherine Brennan, Ellen's sister.  I didn't know of her until then.  Catherine and Ed Naughton had two boys.  One, Patrick died at a young age.  The other had a Stephen and he was close to my GGrandparents.  In fact, Stephen was present at both of their deaths.  He is mentioned on their death records.  All possessions were left to him when my Great Aunt died. 

I will write tomorrow on what documents I have.  I believe I might have Catherine's marriage records.

Thanks for all your help. It is greatly appreciated

Mary

Well, I pulled out my bin of the Brennan research.  Now, looking through all the documents, I do not see one mention of a Mary.  I think I must have assumed it was a Mary since there were two Lukes, really 4 in the area.  I see that you and Roger had the church info in a typed form.  Do you both have a database available to search?  If so, would you be able to search for an Eleanora (Ellen Brennan) born to a Luke?  I know that the gentleman that I met in 1999 said my Ellen could have been originally from Leitrim, but he was not sure.  And about Beatrice.  My uncle told me that Beatrice was Ellen's sister, but, maybe he was mistaken and she was just related.  I know Beatrice married in the US around 1917, but cannot find their marriage record in the NY database.  Maybe they got married in another state.  I went through all the certificates I have.  I have an Ellen Brennan, Patrick Murtagh and a Bridget Brennan witnessing two times each.  Then a James Brennan, Joan Lough on others.  Maybe my Luke was married to Mary Lough.  But there is not James nor John born them.  The gentleman that had my GGrandfather's RIC trunk said his father said they were related to the Brennans through Margaret Brennan marrying Matthew Lough in 1864.  Maybe Margaret is Luke's brother.  Geez, this is getting complicated.  I am going to keep on researching.  BTW, Beatrice stated on her naturalization record that she was born June 14, 1880 in Carrigeens, Roscommon.  It was her husbands record so no maiden name listed.  ;(

Mary

Roger,  As crazy it might seem, this Luke Brennan and Mary Kelly have another Eleanor Brennan in 1878.  After seeing the posting by Kathleen Wilson in 2009, she has death cards for these parents and detailed info on the siblings.  My Eleanor had a sister, Beatrice who went to US in 1907 and married Hugh Coyle.  And also Ellen Brennan had a sister, Catherine who married a Ed Naughton in 1908, and stayed in Roscommon.  I just sent a request for this marriage certificate to see if possibly a maiden name will be stated.  Also, my Luke, I believe died in 1908.  Kathleen's dies in 1902 and her Luke is on 1901 census with Ellen Brennan.  Ellen was married to Thomas Murtagh by then.  The only thing I am thinking is that sometimes people use their middle name.  Maybe Beatrice was Eleanor Beatrice and used Beatrice as her name.  That would explain her being on the 1901 census.  Beatrice comes to the US in 1907.  The first Eleanora might be mine.  I am looking to find a connection to a Seamus who was a California student that came back to Roscommon to do his PhD on the Brennans in Roscommon. I put out an e-mail to him.   Maybe I could find out which was mine.  Thank you, again, Roger

Thank you.  Found my relatives!  Luke Brennan and Catherine Lennon.  Thank you for all your help!

Mary

Hi Mary,  I think we are cousins.  Please get oin touch with me.  My father was Michael Casey a brother of Bridget who married Patrick Murtagh of Erra.,  best wishes  Pamela Casey

I would love to contact you.  My e-mail is ombones@yahoo.com.

I would love to share pictures I found in Ellen Brennan Murtagh's family album.  I believe Bridget might be in there.

Mary