Hello Anthony
I'm not related, and you'll no doubt have some of the information in this reply, but some of the information you may not.
I found that the surnames Daly and "Harnon" (a surname variation of Harman), were recorded in the townlands of Grettyard and Clonbrock, Civil Parish of Killabban, Queen's County (now County Laois), long before John Daly was born in 1847, and before his parents, Michael Daly and Bridget Harman were married in 1846.
An Irish agricultural land record called the Tithe Applotment Books, shows that a William Daly Sr; a William Daly Jr; and a John Daly leased farmland in Crettyard in the year 1824.
See the Tithe Applotment Books index for the three Daly farmers at: https://tinyurl.com/y3kw65c4
These Dalys may have been related to Michael and his son John.
Attached to this reply is a copy of the original Tithe Applotment Books page for Crettyard, and William Daly Sr; William Daly Jr; and John Daly.
Their position on the page is indicated by the three green arrows.
The Tithe Applotment Books show that William Daly Sr. leased 5 Acres and 3 Roods of land with a yearly value of 4 Pounds and 9 Shillings. He had to pay a tithe (what amounted to a tax) of 7 Shillings and 7 Pence.
William Daly Jr. leased 1 Acre and 1 Rood of land, with a yearly value of 19 Shillings and 4 Pence. His tithe amounted to 1 Shilling and 72 Pence.
John Daly leased 1 Acre of land with an annual value of 15 Shillings and 4 Pence. His tithe was 1 Shilling and 32 Pence.
I didn't find the surname Harman recorded in Crettyard in the Tithe Applotment Books, but I did locate a John "Harnon," in the Tithe Applotment Books for the year 1824, leasing farmland in the townland of Clonbrook, also located in the Civil Parish of Killabban, Queen's County.
As mentioned above, Harnon would be an alternate spelling for Harmon.
The actual name for Clonbrook is "Clonbrock," according to the IreAtlas Townland Data Base: https://tinyurl.com/4p4r6926
John Harnon may have been related to your Bridget Harman, as a Google Map shows that Clonbrock is only 1.9 miles northeast of Crettyard: https://tinyurl.com/mr3aue7s
This link will take you to a Google Street View of the road leading to Clonbrock from the N78 highway: https://tinyurl.com/2j653jxc
For a Google Street View of Crettyard, go to: https://tinyurl.com/rhcww49c
The Tithe Applotment Book index for John Harnon in Clonbrook can be accessed at: https://tinyurl.com/2utm59tk
A copy of the original Tithe Applotment Book pages for Clonbrook can be accessed at: https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625668/004625668_00407.pdf
There are two facing pages for the tithe entries in Clonbrook. John Harnon is recorded on the right-hand page at number 1360, which is the 9th entry up from the bottom of the page.
He leased an acre of land with a yearly value of 17 Shillings and 7 Pence. His tithes were 1 Shilling and 6 Pence.
The tithes farmers in Ireland paid went toward the upkeep of the Established Church of Ireland.
The majority of farmers in Ireland at this time were Roman Catholic and were not happy that their hard earned money went toward the Church of Ireland, which had persecuted Roman Catholics for hundreds of years.
To read more about the Tithe Applotment Books, and to search the Tithe Applotment Books, go to the National Archives of Ireland link at: https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp
Finding John Harnon in "Clonbrook" was fortuitous, as with some further research I also discovered the Tithe Applotment Books in 1824 recorded your namesake, Anthony Daly.
His first name is recorded in the Latin, "Antony." See the index at: https://tinyurl.com/2cdvude7
A copy of the original Clonbrook page recording Antony Daly can be found at:
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625668/004625668_00405.pdf
Antony is on the right-hand page, 8th entry down from the top of the page.
He leased 2 Acres and 3 Roods of farmland with a yearly value of 2 Pounds, 1 Shillings, and 2 Pence. The tithes he had to pay to the Church of Ireland amounted to 3 shillings and 6 Pence.
The year 1824 for the recording of the Tithe Applotment Books in Crettyard and Clonbrock, is an indication that your Daly ancestors had moved there from County Roscommon earlier in the 19th century than may have been expected, though I don't know if the Harman/Harnan family has also moved from County Roscommon, or if they were native to Queens County.
The Irish government didn't record births and marriages for all religious denominations in Ireland until 1864, which means you would have to search Catholic baptisms and marriages for your Daly ancestors.
As noted earlier, Crettyard was located in the Civil Parish of Killabban. The Catholic parishes within the Civil parish of Killabban were Arles and Doonane, also known as
Mayo and Doonane.
Transcriptions from the Find My Past (FMP) website shows that Michael Daly and Bridget Harmon were married in the Mayo and Doonane Catholic Parish in 1846, which is the parish where their son John and daughter Mary were baptized.
1846 is also the year of marriage you have for Michael and Bridget, though I don't know if you have a copy of their original Mayo and Doonane Catholic Parish marriage record, or copies of the original baptism records for their children John and Mary. More on this later.
Below is the FMP marriage transcription for Michael Daly and Bridget "Harnan." They were married in the Mayo and Doonane Catholic Parish on 24 February 1846.
First name(s) Michl
Last name Dally
Marriage year 1846
Marriage date 24 Feb 1846
Parish Mayo and Doonane
Alternative parish names Doonane, Mayo, Tolerton
County Laois (Queen's)
Diocese Kildare and Leighlin
Country Ireland
Spouse's first name(s) Bridget
Spouse's last name Harnan
Archive National Library of Ireland
Register type Marriage
Archive / microfilm reference Microfilm04190-07
National Library of Ireland register http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634507#page/1/mode/1up
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Ireland
Source: Find My Past
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A copy of the original marriage record for Michael and Bridget, from the National Library of Ireland is attached to this reply, and shows that one of the witnesses to the marriage was William Daly. The first name of the second witness was Mary. Her last name could be Condran, but it's hard to tell for sure because of the handwriting.
The witness William Daly may be the William Daly Sr., or William Daly Jr. recorded in the Tithe Applotment Books in 1824.
Below is the FMP baptism transcription for John Daly, showing he was baptized in the Mayo and Doonane Catholic Parish on 9 April 1847. His father is Michael Daly. The first name of his mother is Bridget, but the FMP transcriber could not make out her maiden name. Her maiden name was transcribed as “Hara??,” probably because the handwriting in the original baptism record is hard to decipher:
First name(s) John
Last name Daly
Baptism year 1847
Baptism date 09 Apr 1847
Parish Mayo and Doonane
Alternative parish names Doonane, Mayo, Tolerton
Diocese Kildare and Leighlin
County Laois (Queen's)
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) Michl
Father's last name Daly
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
Mother's last name Hara??
Archive National Library of Ireland
Register type Baptism
National Library of Ireland register http://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634507#page/1/mode/1up
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Ireland
Source: Find My past
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A copy of John's original baptism record is attached to this reply, and shows that his godparents were Joseph Whelan and Catherine Lalor. Just to the right of Catherine Lalor's name is the name of the townland where the Dalys were living at the time of the baptism. The town is "Cretty-ard" underlined in red.
Next, I located the FMP baptism transcription for John's sister Mary "Dealy," who was baptized in the Mayo and Doonane Catholic Parish on 15 February 1850.
Her father is Michl Dealy and her mother Bridget "Harnan."
See below:
First name(s) Mary
Last name Dealy
Baptism year 1850
Baptism date 15 Feb 1850
Parish Mayo and Doonane
Alternative parish names Doonane, Mayo, Tolerton
Diocese Kildare and Leighlin
County Laois (Queen's)
Country Ireland
Father's first name(s) Michl
Father's last name Dealy
Mother's first name(s) Bridget
Mother's last name Harnan
Archive National Library of Ireland
Register type Baptism
National Library of Ireland registerhttp://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000634507#page/1/mode/1up
Record set Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from Ireland
Source: Find My past
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A copy of Mary's original baptism record from the National Library of Ireland website shows that her godparents were Michl Dealy and Rebecca Dealy. The godfather Michael could have been a cousin of the father Michael, while Rebecca Dealy was probably related to both Michaels.
Unfortunately, Mary's baptism doesn't record if she and family were still living in Crettyard at the time of the baptism in 1850.
The marriage of Michael Daly and Bridget Harman, and the baptisms of their children John and Mary, may have taken place in St. Abban’s Catholic Church, townland of Rathaspick.
A Google Map shows that St. Abban’s Church is 1.6 miles north of Crettyard. See the map at: https://tinyurl.com/2ypscf2t
The following link will bring you to a Google Street View of St. Abban’s Catholic Church and graveyard: https://tinyurl.com/35rtpcuc
For historical information about St. Abban’s Catholic Church, go to the Catholic Heritage Blogspot link at:
http://catholicheritage.blogspot.com/2011/09/ones-that-got-away-doonane.html
I next wanted to see if Michael Daly was recorded in Crettyard, in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation.
You can search Griffiths Valuation at the Ask About Ireland website at: https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Griffiths Valuation was recorded in the 32 counties of Ireland from 1847 to 1864. The valuation for townlands in the Civil Parish of Killabban, where Crettyard and Clonbrock were located, was completed by the year 1850, which is the year the valuation was printed by the Irish government.
I didn't find Michael Daly in Crettyard in Griffiths Valuation. If he didn't lease property in the town, he would not have been recorded. Only those who owned property, or who worked for the owner of the property were recorded, along with those who leased property from the owner, or owner's representative.
The other possibility is that Michael Daly was living in another town at the time Griffiths Valuation was recorded.
I did find however that Anthony Daly was recorded in Griffiths Valuation leasing property in Crettyard from a man named John Edge, Esq. This may be the Antony Daly who leased farmland in Clonbrook in 1824, as recorded in the Tithe Applotment Books noted earlier.
See the Griffiths Valuation transcription below:
Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant Family Name 1 DALY
Forename 1 ANTHONY
Landlord Family Name 2 EDGE
Forename 2 JOHN
Location
County QUEEN'S
Barony SLIEVEMARGY
Union CARLOW
Parish KILLABBAN
Townland CRETTYARD
Place Name CRETTYARD
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 12
Printing Date 1850
Act 9&10
Sheet Number 31,36
Map Reference 1 B
Source: Ask About Ireland
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A copy of the original Griffiths Valuation page for Crettyard is attached to this reply, and shows that Anthony Daly (first green arrow) leased a house valued at 5 Shillings from the aforementioned John Edge, Esq.
Also leasing property in Crettyard were Giles Daly, Robert Daly, and Mary Daly. Mary leased a house and garden from Garrett Butler Esq., and another parcel of lane from John Edge Esq.
These Dalys were likely related to each other and to your Michael and his children, John and Mary Daly.
I next wanted to see if Griffiths Valuation recorded the surnames Daly and Harman/Harnon in nearby Clonbrock.
This search proved successful, as a Michael Daly, and Patrick and Anne Daly were recorded in Clonbrock.
The question is, was this Michael Daly your direct ancestor who married Bridget Harman, or was he the Michael Daly who was the godfather for Michael and Bridget Daly's daughter Mary, baptized in 1850, as noted earlier.
The answer is, I don't know.
Below is the Griffiths Valuation transcription for Michael Daly in Clonbrock:
Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 DALY
Forename 1 MICHAEL
Landlord
Family Name 2 EDGE
Forename 2 WILLIAM
Location
County QUEEN'S
Barony SLIEVEMARGY
Union CARLOW
Parish KILLABBAN
Townland CLONBROCK
Place Name CLONBROCK
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 34
Printing Date 1850
Act 9&10
Sheet Number 31
Map Reference 69
Source: Ask About Ireland
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A copy of one of the original Griffiths Valuation pages for Clonbrock is attached to this reply, and shows that Michael Daly leased a house from William Edge. The house was valued at 10 Shillings.
The previous Griffiths Valuation page for Clonbrock shows that Patrick Daly leased a house and over 4 acres of land from John Edge Esq.
Next you'll see that Anne Daly leased her house from Patrick Daly. He would have acted as the owner's agent, overseeing Anne's lease for the owner.
COUNTY ROSCOMMON
In your message to Ireland Reaching Out you had mentioned that your grandfather said your ancestors were from a location just outside of Boyle, Roscommon, but that your DNA points to Lough Allen as the origin of your ancestors.
With this information I wanted to see if any Dalys or Harmans were recorded in Griffiths Valuation within a 5 mile radius of Lough Allen, in County Roscommon.
I didn't identify any Harmans, but I did locate a Michael Daly in Griffiths Valuation, leasing a house, offices and over 14 acres of land from Edward K. Tenison, in the townland of Lislea, Civil Parish of Kilronan, County Roscommon.
The printing date for Lislea in Griffiths Valuation is 1858.
See the transcription below:
Griffith's Valuation Record Information
Tenant
Family Name 1 DALY
Forename 1 MICHAEL
Landlord
Family Name 2 TENISON
Forename 2 EDWARD K.
Location
County ROSCOMMON
Barony MOYCARN
Union BALLINASLOE
Parish KILRONAN
Townland LISLEA
Place Name LISLEA
Place Type TOWNLAND
Publication Details
Position on Page 4
Printing Date 1858
Act 15&16
Sheet Number 2
Map Reference 9
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A copy of Griffiths Valuation for Lislea is attached to this reply. Michael Daly's position on the page is indicated by the green double arrow.
A Google Map shows that Lislea is about 2 miles west of Lough Allen: https://tinyurl.com/3w8hj9uv
Here is a Google Street View of the L101 road just outside of Lislea: https://tinyurl.com/97b7vpt9
The next Google Map shows that Lislea is 15.3 miles northeast of Boyle: https://tinyurl.com/yb3ze87w
The Griffiths Valuation entry for Michael Daly in Lislea, County Roscommon, is evidence that Dalys were living very close to Lough Allen, as the your DNA results indicate, though I don't know how this Michael Daly, or if this Michael Daly, was related to your Dalys in Crettyard and Clonbrock, Queens County.
Lislea, Roscommon, is over 100 miles north of Crettyard, County Laois, by the shortest route, according to Google Maps: https://tinyurl.com/4bz29cka
Best Wishes,
Dave Boylan
SOURCES
National Archives of Ireland: Tithe Applotment Books
IreAtlas Townland Data Base
Google Maps
Google Street Views
Find My Past
National Library of Ireland
Catholic Heritage Blogspot
Ask About Ireland: Griffiths Valuation
