Fox Family 1800's

My great-grandfather, James Cullen, was born in the townland of Eskermore in the parish of  Philipstown in 1836 (another name for the parish is Daingean),  As you may know already, the parish of Killeigh adjoins Daingean to the south.   The online parish records for Killeigh only go back to 1844, but you may be able to find a couple of those children there.  A few records in Daingean go back to 1796, but otherwise there are gaps in the period you want (at least for Christopher).  I  was lucky enough to find my great-great-grandfather's baptismal record there in 1796, and you might be able to find your ancestor as well, given the dates involved.  You can find the records here and download them for future use:

Killeigh:  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0711

Daingean:   https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0723 ;

I compared our DNA kits at GEDMATCH, and we are at least distantly related.  With the threshold lowered to 3 cM, we had some 61 cM of total match, but al in small segments (the largest being 5 cM).  The small segments would normally indicate a distant repationship, but I've never had so many small segments of match with someone before and with such a hight total of match, without at least having one long segment as well.   Not sure what it means, but here are the results, without the comparison at each chromosone, because that is displaying oddly at GEDMATCH right now:

Comparing Kit A306167 (*grayfox) [Migration - F2 - A] and T780556 (Kevin Jewell) [Migration - F2 - T]

Segment threshold size will be adjusted dynamically between 200 and 400 SNPs
Minimum segment cM to be included in total = 3.0 cM
Mismatch-bunching Limit will be adjusted dynamically to 60 percent of the segment threshold size for any given segment.

Largest segment = 5.0 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) = 61.7 cM (1.719 Pct)

17 shared segments found for this comparison.

416265 SNPs used for this comparison.

52.763 Pct SNPs are full identical

I've had a number of matches with people who have the surname Fox in their ancestry, and in fact there were several Foxes who were sponsors at baptisms of people in my family in Offaly, but the Fox surname is also commmon in a few other places, especially Mayo, where two of my grandparents grrew up.  Several Irish surnames were anglicized as Fox, including Mac Shanaghy in Mayo (Mac [an] Seanchaidhe in Irish, meaning "son of the storyteller"), through mistranslation and confusion with the word "sionnach" ("fox"). Some of the Fox's in Mayo are, however, descended from the O'Kearney (Ó Catharnaigh) family which originated in Meath, which is said to have acquired the name Fox because the head of the family long ago was known as "The Fox".  I think the Offaly Fox's come from that family, but some of them may also have been Mac Shanaghy's.

Hello Kevin, it's so kind of you to reply to my post. I've jumped onto Gedmatch and you match with my father at just over 5cm, and his 1st cousin on the Fox side also. My dad's number is A264893 if you would like to look at it. Our match is intriguing, i've also never seen so many lower matchs across so many CM. I've been searching the records for some time now seeking any sort of confirmation of Christopher, most especially I want to find his death. With Michael being born in 1842, and Margaret being listed as a widow in 1866 i've at least got a time frame. I did find a record of Griffiths for a Margaret Fox at Gorteen in 1855. Given it's proximity to Killeigh and Daingean i'm assuming it is my Margaret. If that's the case, it would narrow the death of Christopher to between 1842 and 1855. I'm travelling to Ireland in September and would dearly love to visit places of significance to my family. My DNA show 88% Ireland/Scotland and the majority of my ancestors were Irish or Manx with a few from England also. I do have a small amount of Scandinavian DNA also :) 

Hi.

I match a little with your dad also.

Largest segment = 5.3 cM

Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 54.6cM (1.521 Pct)

14 shared segments found for this comparison.

441141 SNPs used for this comparison.

52.359 Pct SNPs are full identical

My Irish links are the Higgins and Fox families out of
Cloonfineen, Kiltullagh, Roscommon
Currently at about 1820 in date.

My gedcom is:
ZV9198969

Kindly,
Ryan Peter Townley

I have about the same amount of match with you, Ryan, sharing 12 segments with a total of 44.9 cM.  Some of my Mayo ancestors were from Kilcolman parish (Claremorris), which is not very far to the west of Kiltulla.

Hi everyone, I hope all of you are still here and searching for your families.... I am a Fox descendant too... 

IS ANYONE ON FACEBOOK?  How can we all connect to share info please.... I know a few Fox family descendants all over the world and we all have info but no one place we seem to find each other. I'm happy to share any info I have on my Fox family and the others I have records for...

MY FOX's..... William Fox born c1790 married Ann McCormack born c1806 from Westmeath/Offaly. Their daughter Anna was born c1827 Westmeath.  I have a feeling my Fox are the Offaly family, but like all of us, still searching.  AND Anna Fox married a Kelly and came to Australia in 1861... so another Fox family in Australia!

 

GREYFOX.... THREE things... first is our DNA is a decent match to yours considering its 200 years... we have a 6.4cms as the largest segment, but 16 shared segments with 58.5cms total and a 1.63pc match.   

ALSO.... ROSE FOX...I think I KNOW a relative for you going back to the 1840s.... I 'met' another Fox descendant in a Facebook genealogy group (I know, weird hey) and she has a ROSE FOX born c1840... which ties in nicely to your names.  She is also in Australia but they came here in the 1900s.   I found the death cert for her Rose and her husband... they were in Castletown Georghegan Westmeath, their son (born a McCormack) in Killellea... I have assumed Westmeath, because it mentioned Castletown too, but unsure if the border changes of 1898 mean this is the same Killellea as Offaly.

I saw records for Christopher Fox yesterday.... I will have to find them again.. I ignored them because they weren't mine, but obviously they are yours so will open the 100 documents I have to find it again.... 

 

Ryan Peter Townley, I couldn't get your gedmatch to work, it says its not in the database..... which is bizarre because I can see Kevin has mentioned he ran his kit against yours and has results.  

 

Kevin... checked your gedmatch and we have the largest segment a 4.9cms, the total is 52.4cms with a 1.46pc and 14 shared segments.

I have a few documents which are literally screendumps of info from forums etc, but they do have info on the Fox families, they are mainly people like us trying to find more info, but I guess if we can all get online and chat, then it will be easier to share resources and info??

Hope you all here.. I will look for you on Facebook, hope I find you x

 

Grayfox80 ... My Fox folk came from Westmeath. The earliest birth I have is James Fox born 1821. The largest autosomal cM you have with my mother A971907 and aunt YZ3623521 is 5.6cM at the same position on chromosome 22.

You have an X-DNA match with my mother with small segments (5.6, 4.7 & 4) on chromosome 23 and 4, 6.1 & 4 with my aunt on chromosome 23. That has carried through to me A824276 with 3.8, 6.8 & 4.1 on chromosome 23.

Kevin Jewell ... you mentioned Mayo, so I checked your GEDmatch with my Mayo-born father's A687135. You have a 7.2cM match with him.

Cheers, Elaine