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Seeking McCarvilles from 1700-1900

MonaghanKilleevan (Monaghan)

Hi,

My great-great-grandfather's obituary in the Waterloo, Iowa (US) newspaperstates that he was born in 1855 in Newbliss, County Monaghan, Ireland. Presumably this is from information he shared with his family because I can't locate records before 1864 for births. I'm hoping to find some sort of proof as to who his parents or siblings would have been.

I have two lines of inquiry I'm following. And they lead only to two potential fathers. The person I know to be my great-great-grandfather is John Patrick McCarville born 1855 in Newbliss and emigrated to America in 1872 (I have not found proof of that date other than whatever he reported to the US Census in 1900).

I believe that John Patrick McCarville's parents may have been from County Monaghan, but not sure if perhaps the town of his birth is different from the town of his residence. At any rate, I have found some McCarville's in Drumsnat, County Monaghan and there was a Bernard McCarville there that could be John Patrick's father.

Another possibility is John McCarville about whom I have no information aside from a public family tree site that someone has connected him as the father of John Patrick McCarville.

I'd appreciate any expertise in tracking down information about who werethe parents of John Patrick McCarville born in 1855 in Newbliss, Monaghan, Ireland.

Thanks!

IrelandXO member

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noeticfantod:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

I assume your ancestors were Church of Ireland but could you confirm? The baptismal records for the Church of Ireland church are included on Roots Ireland. I did a search for Patrick and for joh and no record came up in Monaghan. (By the way the RC records for that parish do not begin until 1867).

I looked up the 1861 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Killeevan parish and there were five McCarval records and three McCarvill records. Possibly one of these was the father of John Patrick.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/monaghan/killeevan.htm

The civil parish of Killeevan has about sixty townlands and Newbliss is the village and the hub of the parish so it is possible, John Patrick came from one of the townlands but said he was from Newbliss. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newbliss

Let me know about the religion. Have you considered autosomal DNA testing?

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Roger, 

Thanks!

I believe they were Catholic but can't say for sure. 

I have in the meantime found proof of John Patrick McCarville's parents names. I can't prove that he was born in Newbliss other than the statement from his obituary. 

Here is what I do know -- John Patrick McCarville stated in US Census records that he emigrated to the US in 1872. 

I have found sources indicating different birth dates, all seemingly reported by himself. But the three different dates are 1853, 1854 and 1855. 

And I found two sources from 1925 stating his parents' names. They are Bridget Slavin and Bernard McCarville. Presumably if John was saying he was born in Newbliss, County Monaghan, Ireland, they all lived somewhere in Monaghan or somewhere not far from Newbliss. However I haven't been able to prove anything about this from the Ireland side of things. The only proof I have of anything is from information reported by John while in the US after 1872. 

I have considered DNA testing. My brother did one. How would I be able to use his info? 

IrelandXO member

If the family was RC and they were from Killeevan then a baptismal record would not be available.

I did search on Roots Ireland for all of Monaghan and they did not have a John McCarvill (and variants) baptismal record with father Bernard from 1849-1859.

I checked the 1861 Griffths for the entire county and there were no Bernard McCarville records.

When you take an autosomal DNA test, you get a number of matches where you share some DNA with another person. Once you get your matches, you look at the closest matches and try to determine where the match occurs back in your family history. Hopefully you get matches with some 2nd and 3rd cousins. Through e-mail correspondence, you try to determine where the match occurs. You might match someone who has a lot more info on the McCarvilles. I would first talk to your brother and see if he has done any analytical work with his matches.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hello

I've just come across this message. Not sure if my information is of any benefit to you, but there was a McCarville family reunion in August of 2018,in Co. Monaghan, which incorporated the parishes on Killevan (Newbliss) Aghabog, Clones etc. Relations came from all over the world to it and I believe they have a regular gathering- there may even be a magazine published, I thought I heard. 

 

There was a McCarville Family Gathering facebook page and website, see below. 

http://tydavnet.com/news/2018/06/set-mccarville-international-family-reunion-3rd-5th-august-2018/

Hope this helps you. 

D.

Ulster Canal Stores Visitor Centre

Just after seeing your post. I organised the McCarvill Family Reunion 2018 and your family has several cousins who met for the first time. Your family has a Chapter in the McCarvill Family book, Chapter 15.  You family came from near Newbliss, the townland of Genagh in the parish of Aghabog. Some of your relations still occupy the farm that John Patrick left in 1872. We have him as born 1 August 1854 died 22 March 1933 in Iowa married Mary Loretta Condon 16 August 1875. Most of Bernard McCarvill & Bridget Slavin descendants are in this chapter.

For more information "McCarvill Reunion 2018" into Google or Facebook.

Contact vmccarvill@gmail.com

 

vmccarvill@gmail.com

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