Ancestral information

Hi Bert,

 

Happy Easter from Carrickmacross, County Monaghan.  

 

I have located the following information for you:-

 

Source: RootsIreland:

https://www.rootsireland.ie/ - a subscriptin website

 

Andrew Crozier of Killeevan Parish married Jane Corbet or Currin Parish on 6 Nov 1832, Church of Ireland, Currin, Co. Monaghan.  Celebrant: Edward Collins.  Married in Church of Scotshouse. By licence. 

Husband Age: full age.  Wife Age: not listed.

 

Andrew and Jane had the following children that are recorded on that website, however there may well be others:

 

Margaret Jane Crozier

Date of Birth: 3 Jan 1836

Address: Drumswords

Parish/District: Currin, Co. Monaghan

Denomination: Church of Ireland

Father: Andrew Crozier

Mother: Jane Crozier

No. 22. Minister E. Collins.

 

Elizabeth Crozier

Date of Baptism: 7 Nov 1841

Address: Drumswords, Killeevan Parish

Parish/District: Newbliss, Co. Monaghan

Father: Andrew Crozier

Mother: Jane Crozier

James Richards

 

George Andrew Crozier

Date of Birth: 19 Dec 1845

Date of Baptism: 28 Dec 1845

Address: Drumswords, Killeevan, 

Parish/District: Newbliss, Co. Monaghan

Father: Andrew Crozier

Mother: Jane Crozier

Occupation: Farmer

William W. Deering

 

Martha Crozier of Drumswords, Killeevan Parish married Robert McCrackin of Killyleg, Aghabog Parish on 19 Sep 1851, Parish of Currin.  Martha was the daughter of Andrew Crozier and Robert the son of David McCrackin.The witnesses were Thomas Crozier and James Corbett.  Rev. James Bones, Cootehill.

 

Source: Births, Deaths and Marriages Victoria:

https://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-fami…

 

Margaret Jane Crosier married James Martin in Victoria in 1865, Reg. No. 101/1865.  Victorian marriage certificates list the names of both parents.  Bert, if you are trying to follow up on the Martin's, you will need to know who the mother of James Martin was.  Martin is a very common surname in this part of the world, without more information the words needle in a haystack come to mind.

 

Margaret Jane Martin died in 1923, Ballarat, age 87, Reg. No. 13393/1923. Parents recorded as Andrew Crozier and "Eliza Frances".

 

Source: Ballarat Cemetery:

https://web.ballaratcemeteries.com.au/Deceasedsearch/DeceasedSearch.aspx

Margaret Jane Martin buried 29 Nov 1923 at the Ballarat Cemetery New, Methodist E, Section 3, Row 2, Grave 9.

 

Tithe Applotment Books 1823 -1937, The National Library of Ireland:

 

Crozier, Andw, Townland of Drumswords, Parish of Killeevan, Year 1825:

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625673/00…

Crozier, Andw, Townland of Drumswords, Parish of Killeevan, Year 1825:

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625673/00…

 

Griffiths Valuation:

http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSea…

 

Drumswords Townland, Co. Monaghan:

https://www.townlands.ie/monaghan/dartree/killeevan/newbliss/drumswords/

 

I have checked the Irish Newspaper Archive for Andrew Crozier, however he was not mentioned, there was also no mention of a mining accident in 1840.  Your post does not mention where the mining accident occurred!  

 

As you live in Australia, I would suggest that you apply for a readers card with the National Library of Australia.

https://www.nla.gov.au/getalibrarycard/

 

This will give you free access to the Irish Newspaper Archive and JSTOR, where you will be able to read the following articles:

 

The Parish of Killeevan

by J. Gilsenan

Clogher Record

Vol. 4, No. 1/2 (1960/1961), pp. 16-28 (13 pages)

Published By: Clogher Historical Society

 

A Killeevan Family in Australia

by P. B. Ó Mórdha

Clogher Record

Vol. 14, No. 2 (1992), pp. 134-135 (2 pages)

Published By: Clogher Historical Society

 

After the Famine: Emigration from Ireland, 1850-1913

by Timothy J. Hatton and Jeffrey G. Williamson

The Journal of Economic History

Vol. 53, No. 3 (Sep., 1993), pp. 575-600 (26 pages)

Published By: Cambridge University Press

 

The short answer to your question "What led many to migrate to other countries at that time?" - Work, poverty, starvation, high rents, reuniting with other family members.  If I find anything else I will post it here.

 

Maggie McKenna

 

 

Thank you for your detailed reply to my questions.  James Martin Snr (1799 - 1840) married Elizabeth Francey in 1827  It was he that supposidly died in a mining accident, the place of which I have no information.  Their children were George, William James, Jane, Richard and James jnr who is my great grandfather and he married Margaret Jane Crozier.  I wondered if the family of James Martin Snr who marred Elizabeth Francey were inhabitants of Killeevan.

Regards and thanks

Bert

Hi Bert,

Could you tell me please if the Martin's were Church of Ireland and what is the source of your information for the marriage and childrens details.

Maggie McKenna.

 

 

 

Hi Maggie

My sources came from a cousin in Australia who unfortunately I am not in contact with now.  The information I recieved from her 20 years ago had at the bottom of the pages "Produced by Legacy" that is all I know about the sources.   Unfortunately I am not familiar with the searching process.  Little was said about the parents James Martin and Elisabeth Francey but more about James Jnr who migrated to Australia abourt 1861 and was my great grandfather.  His daughter was Elizabeth Martin.   I am not aware of what church the Martins in Ireland came from but when some of the family settled in Australia I think they were Presbyterians.  As you say its like finding a needle in a haystack

Bert

Hi Bert,

Andrew George Crozier the son of Andrew Crozier and Jane Corbett married Eliza Jane Hall in Victoria in 1877, Reg. No. 3377/1877.

Eliza Jane Crozier d. 1942, Shepparton, Reg. No. 28393/1942, parents recorded as John Hall and Mary Unknown.

 

Eliza Jane Hall 

Baptised: 18 Mar 1860 

Address: Drumswords, Killeevan Parish

Parish/District: Newbliss, Killeevan Parish, Co. Monaghan

Father: John Hall

Mother: Mary Anne Hall

Occupation: Farmer

Rev. Henry Burdett

 

Eliza Jane Hall's parents were John Hall and Mary Corbett:

 

John Hall and Mary Corbett married on 28 Feb 1854, Currin Church of Ireland, Co. Monaghan  

John Hall - Address: Drumswords.  Son of David Hall, a Farmer

Mary Corbett - Address: Drumreenagh.  Daughter of John Corbett

Witnesses: John Scott and John Hall Senior

Celebrant: Francis Hurst, Rector.  Married in Church of Scotshouse. By licence. Husband Age: full age, Wifes age: full age.

Source: RootsIreland - a subscription website.

 

Tithe Applotment Books 1823 - 1837, The National Library of Ireland:

 

George Francey, Townland of Dunseark, Parish of Killeevan, Year 1825:

Alexr. Francey, 

James Francey, 

Wllm. Francey,

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625673/00…

 

George Francey, Townland of Drumleny, Parish of Killeevan, Year 1825:

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625673/00…

 

Drumswords and Dunseark are adjoinging townlands.  Drumleny is about 15km north-east towards Monaghan.

https://www.logainm.ie/en/40235

 

This is a bit of a long shot but it "maybe" a possibility for your James Martin.

James Martin, Townland of Drumlina, Parish of Killeevan, Year 1825:

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004625673/00…

 

Drumlina is about 4km east from Drumswords, going towards Newbliss.

 

Maggie McKenna

Yes Maggie I think you are onto something there.  I have found a statement in my archives that says Elizabeth Francey married James Martin Snr about 1829-30 possibly in the Parish of Drummartin, County Cavan.  Their son also James Martin was born, 11th of October, 1839 in Killeevan, Clones.  He married Margaret Jane Crozier 21st March1865 in Creswick Victoria, they became my great grandparents.  It would be interesting to know if James Martin Snr died in 1840 as that would confirm we have the right person.

Bert Gibbs

Hi Bert, 

Many thanks for that information.  Drummartin is a townland in the Parish of Kildrumsherdan, Co. Cavan.

I'd say that this may be James Martin Senior's son George.  

Date of Marriage: 28 Nov 1855

Parish / District: Killeevan, Co. Monaghan

George Martin of Drummartin, Parish of Kildrumsherdan, Co. Cavan, full age, a Farmer, son of James Martin

Eliza Lisgow nee Smiley of Rateerpark Killeevan, full age, daughter of Sam Smiley

Witnesses: John O'Hara and William Smiley.

Minister: Henry C. Irvine, by license.

 

William Martin

Date of Birth: 24 Jan 1857

Date of Baptism: 24 Feb 1857

Address: Drumartin Parish/District: Cootehill, Co. Cavan
Denomination: Presbyterian

Father: George Martin

Mother: Eliza Smyllie

 

I shall do some more checking in the next day or so.

 

Maggie McKenna.

Marriage Registration of George Martin and Eliza Smiley

Source: Irish Genealogy

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/

Hi Maggie

I can concur that George Martin was a senior child of James Martin and am grateful for the details you have supplied.   William Martin could well be his son as George's brother was called William James.  Thank you for your persistance.

Bert

Hi Bert,

It appears that some of James Junior’s siblings also went out to Australia.

William Martin d. 1869, Clunes, age 40
Parents recorded as James Martin and Elizabeth Francey
Reg. No. 802 / 1869
b. Monaghan, Ireland
William Martin m. Sarah Ann Caldwell
1860, Glasgow, Scotland Ref: 644/4 139

George Martin d. 1906, Mooroopna, age 76
Parents recorded as James Martin and Eliza Francis
Reg. No. 14268/1906

Richard Martin d. 1905, Clunes, age 71
Parents recorded as James Martin and Eliza Franey
Reg. No. 12183/1905
m. 1863, Victoria, Mary Ann Crosier - daughter of Andrew Crosier.
Ref. No. 776/1863

James Martin is recorded on Griffith’s Valuation Year 1857
http://askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSea…

Drummartin, Co. Cavan:
https://www.logainm.ie/en/5418

http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/churches/killeevan-coi-…

Civil registration of all births, Catholic marriages, and all deaths began on January 1, 1864, in Ireland. Registration of non-Catholic marriages began on April 1, 1845. Registration of all marriages began in 1864.

Records available on RootsIreland – a subscription website
County Monaghan Genealogical Sources Available Online:
https://rootsireland.ie/monaghan/online-sources.php
Genealogical Sources Available for Co. Cavan Online:
https://rootsireland.ie/cavan/online-sources.php

I have checked on RootsIreland for a marriage for James and Eliza around 1827 for all of Ireland and there is no record of their marriage on that site, or the baptism of their children, or James Martin’s death around 1840. Bert, if at all possible, it may be your least expensive option to renew acquaintances with your cousin of over 20 years ago, to find out more about the mining accident, and details of where he/she got their information from. Its more than possible that James may have gone to England or Scotland to work in the mines there.

It may also be worth contacting the RCB to follow up on their records.
Representative Church Body (RCB) Library
Church of Ireland Archives:
https://store.ireland.anglican.org/genealogy

Church of Ireland Parish Registers:
https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers…

Robert Lithco
Date of Birth: 22 Jul 1854
Date of Baptism: 4 Oct 1854
Address: Drumartin
Parish/District: Cootehill Second, Co. Cavan
Denomination: Presbyterian
Father: William Lithco
Mother: Elizabeth Smylie

See attachment for William and Elizabeth’s marriage. Elizabeth remarried George Martin.

If I think of anything else, I will post it here.

Maggie McKenna.