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Gallagher in Doocastle, Mayo

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I am looking for family connections to Thomas Gallagher (1835/7 - 1930). Thomas was born in Doocastle on the 12th December of either 1835, 36 or 37. I obtain 1835 from his date of death, 1836 from a diary of his granddaughter and 1837 from a primary document when he joined the London Metropolitan police in 1865'

According to this police document his parents were John and Agnes. There are a number of Gallagher households in Griffiths Valuation in the district of Kilturra dating 1856, including John Gallagher and John Gallagher Junior.

Thomas had a much younger brother John who was born in 1853 (give or take a year) who later also joined him in the Metropolitan Police in London from the early 1870's and settled in London.

There is also a sister Mary whom was born in 1844.

Assuming that Thomas may have been the first born and John the last it is possible that their father John was still alive in 1856 and is one of the two John's in the Griffith's Valuation. Perhaps it would even be possible for him to be John junior and his father the other John (though that is a bit of an assumptive stretch!)

After his wife died in England in 1900 - Thomas returned to Doocastle. He is in the English 1901 Census and the Irish 1911 census. His youngest son was born in England in 1888 so I assume that Thomas may have moved to Ireland at the earliest in 1904 and before the census of 1911. He had a police pension and i guess that stretched further in Doocastle than it did in London , notwithstanding a desire to return to his homeland

He brought with him another son (Peter) who had been born in London in 1885. Both of them and a niece Bridget Cawley appear on the 1911 census.

Peter dies in 1923 (there is a death certificate) and Thomas in 1930 (still cared for by his niece Bridget Cawley) - both at Doocastle Cottage.

Bridget was one of the daughter's of Thomas's sister Mary Gallagher who married John Cawley but i will go into that on another post or it will get too complicated!

What I would love to try and do is match up Thomas to his parents and other siblings (it is surely likely there would be some - as we have for certain Thomas 1835, Mary 1844 and John 1853- so gaps are there to be potentially filled!)

On the 'find my past site' someone has given his mother's (Agnes) maiden name as Kelly but I have not had a response from them and have not found any evidence over the years to give that any support.... so i raise it, but it could be a red herring or a wild goose!!

Thomas lived in Doocastle Cottage according to the address of letters sent to him by his youngest son.

I had the pleasure and good fortune to visit Doocastle back in 2007 and a lot of folk there treated me superbly and even took me to what they believed was the cottage! It was a whirlwind long weekend. I was fortunate to meet a Father Gallagher (no direct relation) whom I believe at the time may have been 100 or so. He told me a story of recalling his grandfather and Thomas walking back from Doocastle Post Office after collecting their pensions. He said they were both as deaf as posts and shouting at each other.

How lucky I was to meet a man who'd seen a man born in 1835!

With digitalisation and a little bit more time finally I am picking up the pieces again!

I also spoke to Mr Coen at the time of my visit but we could not find any burial records. Letters suggest that both Peter and Thomas were buried but Peter without a headstone and Thomas in the plot with his parents. I did not find any sight of them in the cemetery but it was all a bit of a whirlwind.

So there you have it ! If anyone has any ideas of knowledge then I am very grateful. It is still quite something for me to deal with place names/ parishes , townlands and the fact that the religious parish straddles Mayo and Sligo so i think Tobercurry might come into the mix.

I do hope I have managed to get this to the Mayo board!

I will post another mail at some point in regards what I know of Mary Gallagher (1844 -1922) I believe marrying John Cawley and their 8 children of whom at least 7 I believe were daughters

Many many thanks to you all and of course if I have got it wrong in terms of placing Doocastle in Kilturra district , or anything else, please do put me right!

Oh one more scrap is that Thomas may have served 3 years in the RIC before he joined the Metropolitan Police. He was relatively tall (at least in London terms) and I guess that experience would have counted in his favour when he was given the tough and infamous Whitechapel beat!

Doocastle

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Doocastle:

You did post correctly on the Co. Mayo board. FYI all messages end up on the main IRO message board.

For others, here is the 1911 census in the townland of Ballindoo or Doocastle  https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Mayo/Doocastle/Ballindoo_or_Doocastle/740218/

I believe the RC parish would be Kilshalvy and Kilturra in Co. Sligo. Baptismal records start in 1842. The subscription site has a Patrick Gallagher (1843) and a Mary Gallagher (1846) in Kilshalvy with parents John Gallagher and Atty Flanery/Flannery. These children may be for a different family. There was no record in that parish for a John Gallagher around 1853.

It is also possible that your family would have attended Carracastle RC parish in Mayo. Their baptismal records start in 1853 but I did not find any good leads.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Dear Roger,

Thank you very much. It is very exciting to get a reply so soon and begin the journey!

This week I will add what I know of Thomas's sister, her marriage and children, along with the census information and birth records I have found and why I can have faith in their accuracy. I do not have all my notes and information to hand but is there a RC church in Bunnanden (or similar spelling) I have a feeling I have seen that name in relation to the information I have. I will confirm that when i send more soon

Fantastic !

I have some faith/hope in his parents being John and Agnes, firstly because of the Police document ,secondly because he names one of his children Agnes and so did his sister and his brother John also gave his first born a middle name of Agnes

Thomas and John both had sons they named John (Mary did not have a son to name after her father)

I know it is not 100% but it supports the original document in the absence of some birth/baptism records

Doocastle

Thank you for the link 

Doocastle

I am adding the death certificates for Thomas - 1930 and his son Peter - 1923

Both died in Doocastle Cottage, Doocastle

District - Lowpark

Union - Swinford

County - Mayo

Also a photograph of Doocastle Cottage from 2007

Doocastle

Dear Roger

Thank you for the help you have given me with the Gallagher's and the related Cawley's in Doocastle, Mayo.

I will stick to the Gallagher's here and share, what to me, is exciting news!

Your advice on Griffiths Valuation (1856)  and Tithes (1833) caused me to look at Wills - which has become so much easier than 20 years ago, now it is online and helped me to now trace John Gallagher (the father or Thomas).  

Based on the ages of Thomas and his known siblings, Mary and John I estimated that his mother Agnes ( I get her name from Thomas's Metropolitan police record) was born about 1815 and therefore that father (John) would have been of the same age or a little bit more.

There is a John Gallagher in Doocastle in the Griffiths Valuation (GV)  of 1856 (and as we know he was alive in 1852 - because the last child (John junior)  we are aware of, was born in 1853, it was very likely to think that John senior was alive in 1856 and that the GV showing his name in Doocastle could be him.

I was therefore very lucky to find that he left a will and died in Doocastle in 1894! This can be verified because he left his £8 to his daughter named as Margaret Gallagher or Cawley - and the will goes on to say she is the wife of John Cawley.

What has also become clear is that Thomas has made the trek from London to Doocastle to be  the present at death and then register the death. The death certificate does not say he is the son but it seems a small chance that it would be another random Thomas Gallagher in Doocastle. Sadly I then believe Thomas's mother dies a few days later and Thomas registers both their deaths at the same time

I have added the death registration and welcome any comments people might have for the causes of death given

I had my doubts about whether this could be Thomas's mother Agnes but cycling back to Roger's post here on the 10th  September....

I believe the RC parish would be Kilshalvy and Kilturra in Co. Sligo. Baptismal records start in 1842. The subscription site has a Patrick Gallagher (1843) and a Mary Gallagher (1846) in Kilshalvy with parents John Gallagher and Atty Flanery/Flannery. These children may be for a different family. There was no record in that parish for a John Gallagher around 1853. 

...I am certain now he has found the baptisms of Thomas's sister Mary (later Mary Cawley ) and another brother Patrick. What is also helpful is that the mother's name is given on both baptism's as Atty - and this is the name given on the death registration in 1894. Atty then must have been Agnes's nickname.

Thomas's last son (born in Whitechapel, London in 1888) is George Patrick Gallagher which I had not mentioned.

 I had to dig this out - but his godparents are Patrick and Catherine Gallagher (I attach a copy of his baptism record). I feel that Patrick is an uncle and Roger's find would support that. I have never found a Patrick (and Catherine) Gallagher born in Mayo in the English census of 1881, 1891 (or any other) but given that Thomas made the journey from London to Doocastle to be present at his parent's death perhaps Patrick Gallagher and his wife made the journey to London to be the godparents of his elder brother's son (why not?)

What would help to substantiate this of course is to find a marriage of Patrick and Catherine sometime from the mid 1860s and before 1888 , or just some evidence of them, though of course there is no certainty they would have remained in Doocastle , or even Mayo.

I know sometimes we make pieces fit together because we want them to , but in this case Roger's finds and the connection of evidence to things that are certain make me think that I have had some very fortunate breaks, thank you again Roger.

I have shared this journey in the hope that it is of some use to anyone who might come along looking for their ancestors in Doocastle or Mayo, even Ireland.

Roger, are you able to send me the baptism records for Patrick and Mary, would be grateful for them

(Adding new attachments - Will summary of John Gallagher 1894, Death registration of John and Agnes (Atty) Gallagher 1894, Baptism of George Patrick Gallagher 1888)

Now that we know Agnes (Atty) had the maiden name of Flannery or Flanery perhaps other children might be identified who were born between 1835 and 1853, or connections made to the Flannery/Flanery  family - as well as looking for Patrick and Catherine.  The Gallagher's in C19th century Mayo has been re-ignited!

Doocastle

Thanks Roger for the Baptism Records

John and Agnes (Atty) had 4 children for sure now , as far as we know:

Thomas 1835

Patrick 1843

Mary 1846

John 1852/3

Looking at those dates there is certainly the possibility there could have been more between Thomas and Patrick and Mary and John. As the baptism records only go back to 1842 that line of investigation is closed for the first 'space' between Thomas and Patrick and I'm sure you had a good look when you were finding Mary and not seeing John

Even if there were births then of course many children died at birth or at a young age, not withstanding this being the times of the Famine on top.

Certainly this is now the complete list of names I have ever heard of (Patrick just a name on his nephew's baptism). Even if there were more I think it would now need someone reaching back in research to make a connection.

Thank you for the marriage certificate. I am going to have a dig around the 1901/1911 census. Certainly some of the components are a tick!

Many thanks

Doocastle

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