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Molloys in Charlestown

Kilbeagh (Mayo)

I'm looking to surprise my dad with a visit to Charlestown soon as he's never been and thought it would be great if we did have any living relatives there, no matter how distant.

My great grandfather Patrick Joseph Molloy was born on 3rd January 1903 and according to the 1911 census, he lived in Kilbeagh (Mayo) with his parents Thomas and Maria (nee O'Donnell), as well as younger siblings Mary Kate, Bridget, Louisy Anne and Domnick.

I know that he was a Catholic and moved to Bolton, Lancashire, in the 1920s, where he married an English woman (Kathleen Mary Jordan) and had three children in Bolton - Patrick Jr, Kathleen and Thomas Augustine (my grandfather).

Unfortunately, Patrick and all his children died long before I was born and Thomas actually died when my dad was just 12. Therefore details about that side of the family has been pretty scarce and is what has led me into looking into my family tree.

From what little my dad does know, he believes that Patrick Jr moved to Australia with his wife Joan and they both lived there until their death. Meanwhile Thomas and Kathleen both lived in Bolton their whole life and died in 1972 and 75 respectively.

My dad also thinks that Patrick Joseph has another sister called Teresa, who lived near Cornwall, and Ancestry seems to back this up as there's a Teresa Molloy born in 1913 in Charlestown, who lived in Plymouth.

Through Ancestry research it also seems like some of Patrick's siblings (Bridget, Louisy and Domnick) moved to New York but can't be 100% sure as Molloy seems to be a very common name!

At the moment my tree goes as far back as a James Mulloy/Molloy born in 1798 but not 100% confident on anyone after Patrick's parents Thomas and Maria (also have DNA matches linked to these), so would be interested in seeing what records there are over there or what extra help I could get.

Did see that someone uploaded scans of a document called 'The Mulloy Family of Lavy More' into Ancestry. I don't know the origin of this document but that or something similar would be fascinating to see as well.

tomolloy

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Birth cert for Patrick

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Marriage cert for Thomas and Maria 1902

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Birth cert Bridget 1905

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Birth cert Mary Kate 1904

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Birth of Lucy Anne 1906

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Birth of Theresa 1913

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Birth of Dominick 1909

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The only death cert for a Denis Mulloy that I could find was the following death in 1913 (as per the wedding cert above)

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Wedding cert for Denis Mulloy

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Birth of a Thomas Molloy, son of Dennis and Catherine 1870

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Thanks a lot Eileen, these are all really helpful.

Out of interest, what are the source of those records - can they be viewed electronically?

Interesting that those records show Thomas' parents being a Denis Molloy/Mulloy and Catherine McGloughlin, as my ancestry research (including comparing trees with DNA matches) had led me to believe it was a Denis Molloy/Mulloy and a Mary Flannery.

tomolloy

Tom,

Eileen's records came from the site https://www.irishgenealogy.ie under the civil records section of the site. Yes, you can view them, and explore the site to find more information on civil births, marriages, and deaths. You will type "Swinford" in the box for civil registration district.

Regards,

Carolyn

Thank you, going to have a look through that now as well myself.

Do you know if there's anyone still in Charlestown who'd be able to help me in person at all, as well, if I was to visit in the next few months?

tomolloy

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Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Tom:

Seamus Bermingham lives in Charlestown and was formerly one of our volunteers. He is on Facebook so send him a PM.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Birth cert for a Bryan, 1868. I have come across two birth certs in the name of Sarah and Anne Molloy with parents Dennis and Mary Flannery but I can not find a marriage cert for these names, it is strange, I am wondering if Dennis was married twice or whether there are two families with a Dennis. Will keep trying.

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Birth cert for a James 1875

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Yeah it's throwing me off because there's a baptism record that appears to be for Thomas Molloy in Carracastle, in Nov 1870 (in the Catholic Parish Register) which lists his parents as Denis Molloy and Mary Flannery as well, and then all the DNA seems to point to that.

But as you say, can't find marriage record or the birth record... really odd.

tomolloy

Thanks for that - would seem that my descendant is Mary Flannery rather than Catherine McGloghlin then? Seems both were married to different Dennis Molloy's who died 14 years apart

Although they both must have had children named Thomas around the same time in late 1870.

tomolloy

As per Roger's post above, this is the death cert for Dennis 1899, I noticed he died suddenly at work but the death was notified by Anne Horkan . There are two grandchildren of this name on the census

Catherine McGloughlin Mulloy widow that Roger posted. Perhap's this is a validation that your Dennis was indeed married to Catherine. ( Do not discount a marriage to Mary Flannery until a marriage cert can agree or disagree ) but this is the strongest result to date.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Kilbeagh/Lavy_More/1598969/

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There is also this one from 1913, which muddies the waters.

DNA points more towards the one still alive in 1901, as he has a grandson called Casey and I have DNA matches with that name.

Also seem to have DNA links to a number of Mary Flannery's other children.

Can't at this moment see anything that would track with Horkan or any other descendants on that line.

tomolloy

This is on the tree of my closest Molloy-line DNA match, as a source for the marriage.

Not sure what the 'Mulloy Family Report' is - do you think it's worth messaging them?

tomolloy

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Thanks everyone for all the help so far, as well, I really appreciate it.

tomolloy

Thanks Eileen, sounds like that Mulloy Family Report is one that one of my distant cousins commissioned from the North Mayo Heritage Centre

tomolloy

Eileen:

Great find with the Molloy/Flannery marriage. I used Denis with Roots Ireland and nothing came up. You would think Roots Ireland would cross-refer Denis with Dionisius for a search (and all other Latin names).

Roger

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Hello Tom,

I only saw your post just now I havent been on social media for the last number of years. But I do know the Molloy family from Gowel Carracastle and Tes Molloy who married Tony Mulligan their family are a age with me. There is a John Molloy living in the home place in Gowel I will call on John and let him know that you are looking for them and send you more information

Regards

Seamus Bermingham

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Seamus:

Thanks for your help! Hope you are well!

Roger McDonnell

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