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Churches in Mungret parish, 1829 esp Patrickswell and Barnakyle

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Thanks so much from a new member, most appreciative of your help. I am struggling to find the precise names of the churches/parishes of an ancestor I am now researching. This person lived in the "centre" (as i am guessing) of the Patrickswell that is on the road southwest from Limerick city towards Croom then Ahnid, to Adare, and seemingly, as per Griffith's, in the area just northeast of Patrickswell called Barnakyle. I am unfortunately still not sure if he was a RC or C of I congregant. (the name is Paul Cudmore, perhaps b 1807 d bef 1834, w a son James William bc 1829, then emigrated after 1853). I would be most appreciative if a member here could tell me in which parish/church these persons would likely have registered family bmds, in the years c 1800-1850. Many thanks. DM

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The Catholic Parishes in Mungret are:

St. Nessan, Raheen; St. Oliver Plunkett, Mungret; and Sts. Peter and Paul, Crecora.  Those are current churches.  The earliest dates for records seems to be 1844.  The Church of Ireland has a list of churches, updated in April 2023, in PDF form at this link:  chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/registers…

Mungret Baptisms and burials

Please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Best regards,

Marsha

 

mthomas929IrelandXO Volunteer

Good evening,

Being a little new at this, I have tried posting several replies, but those posts have been lost in the ethernet.  

There are three churches in Mungret Parish:  St. Nessan, Raheen; St. Oliver Plunkett, Mungret; Sts. Peter and Paul, Crecora.  Below are the earliest dates of baptisms, marriages and burials.

Mungret Baptisms

Church of Ireland records for Mungret are only available from about 1843, at the earliest.  

                  Birth             Marriage          Death

Mungret 1851 – 1865 1845 – 1872 1843 – 1918

If I can be of further assistance, please let me know.

Regards,

Marsha

 

mthomas929IrelandXO Volunteer

DM,

 

The attached may be of some assistance in relation to your query.

Paul Cudmore appears to have been a wealthy property owner.

Credit: Limerick Chronicle Newspaper per Subscription Site  www.findmypast.ie

Regards,

McCoy

DM,

Subscription Sites www.rootsireland.ie and www.findmypast.ie have records of the surname "Cudmore" from the 17th century when apparently an Officer in Oliver Cromwell's army settled in County Cork. More recently, families settled in County Clare and County Limerick.

Some families had children baptised in St. John's COI, Limerick. The name "Paul" has not been found in either the Church of Ireland or Roman Catholic parish records. There are a number of R.C. baptisms where the father is recorded as "James Cudmore", but the name "Paul" is not shown.

Regards,

McCoy

Many thanks, McCoy! yes, this Paul is the mill owner, d in 1868, of Ballyclough. Prominent locally as you say. he seems the son of Michael C  1761-1817 and lucinda Sexton. Paul the millowner would have had (acc to a family tree, unsourced mostly) a brother, Michael 1785-98?-1868? called Big Mick, m to a Matthews and Mary O'Brien. That Michael had? a son, Paul, b 1807?, and d by 1834 ( acc to a family letter). It is this Paul, m to a catherine Blake, that i am so unsuccessfully searching for. Michael big mick i also cannot find bmd sources for.  the family story says that this Paul had a son, James William, b c 1829 "in Patricks Well

" (for context JW emigrated in 1853 and is my great great grandfather). I can find no clear sources for JW or for his father Paul, or his mother Blake.  i believe they are connected to the larger group of limerick cudmores, including those descended from Edward C and Mary Webb (edward being a brother of Michael 1761)...but i cannot figure out how!! Part of my quest, as you and Marsha understand, is that i am not sure as to the religion of Paul 1807, and so not sure in which Patrickswell church to search. in several of the Sustainability records for the 1830s there is a Paul in Barnakyle, nr Patrickswell as you know; i suspect this is my Paul. Again, i am not sure in which church/parish to search. Appreciate all your help. D

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Further to your kind comments, McCoy, family lore does bring my family back to the Paul, supposedly an administrator w the Cromwell forces, then settled in cork and limerick. my concern is that the closer look i am taking at the family tree chart that has been passed down, has some major sourcing issues. including again, a clear source for a Michael, supposedly called Big Mick 1785?

( and who "played in the Elgin tournament w the Marquis of Waterford"), or for his son, Paul bc 1807, and a grandson, JW b patrickswell c 1829. i do not want to claim this lineage until i can clearly place these 3 persons.

duanemcdonald@…

Thank you for the parish info, Marsha. Do you say then, that i should not search in Lurriga parish records?, for someone supposedly living in a settled part of Patricks Well and or Barnakyle. ( i see on the site of NLI that patrickswell and patricks well are variant names for Lurriga

parish, but i want to trust your recommendation).

duanemcdonald@…

Irish genealogy is a funny thing!  I would search in the entire area until you find them.  So yes, I would search both areas.  You should always check if the record you are searching fits into the dates for that records are available.  Here is a little info on Patrickswell's history:

Brief Parish History & Geographical Location Patrickswell-Ballybrown Parish

The village of Patrickswell is situated on the N20 that runs between Limerick and Newcastlewest. According to Mainchín Seoighe, the present day parish of Patrickswell/Ballybrown is made up parts of the pre-Reformation parishes of Kilkeedy, Killonahan, Mungret, Croom, and Adare. Until the middle of the 18th century, the parishes of Kilkeedy and Clounanna were joined with Adare. When the parish of Patrickswell was formed Kilkeedy and Clounanna became part of the new parish. The first parish priest of the new parish was Fr Nicholas Molony. The present population of the parish is about 3,400 people.

The church in Patrickswell is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary. Bishop Jeremiah Newman and Fr William Creed P.P officially opened the church on June 9th 1977. The architects were John Thompson & Partners and Patrick Healy was the builder. The McSweeney family gave the site for the church and the Presbytery. The McSweeneys also gave the altar and ambo as a gift. The church was re-roofed in 1994.

The church in Ballybrown is dedicated to St Joseph. It was built in the period 1829 - 1840 but the exact date is unknown. Ballybrown church was originally a thatched building. A headstone to Fr Downes was found in Ballybrown church grounds in 1986. Fr Downes died on December 14th 1840 after being thrown from his horse. However, we found no such headstone in the grounds of the church.

Below are the dates that records are available for Patrickwell-Ballybrown

Lurriga

Let me know how you're doing.  

Best,

Marsha

mthomas929IrelandXO Volunteer

Thanks so much, Marsha! i will follow up as you say, as widely as i can. also will pursue other leads. i am a learner, so slow going and lots of learning to do. so might take me some days, weeks, but i will let you know how things go. your help much appreciated! Duane. 

 

duanemcdonald@…

Thanks so much, Mary. yes, i have been using the pdf with notes on the limerick cudmores, quite useful (though not directly solving my question marks). I have been circling around the MIchael d in 1858 for a while. the family history i am working from ...the issue is that is largely unsourced... has a Michael Cudmore, called "Big Mick" (not sure by whom), bc 1785 d 1868...not 58... who "played in the elgin tournament with the marquis of waterford". i am not sure where that statement comes from. And thus not sure if this would be one of the sporting exploits noted in the obituary.  My history says my michael was m twice, to a Matthews then a Mary O'Brien. i have not been able to find these women, or a marriage source.  supposedly he was the son of Michael cudmore 1761-1817 and lucinda sexton -1823, that michael a "gentleman of rathkeel and ballyclough".

so my issue is that if i cannot find more clear bmd sources for the big mick michael, i hesitate to add him w confidence to my tree. any thoughts you may have much appreciated. D

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