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Where is Bridget Moroney

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I have had a brick wall for a number of years now and after years of frustration, giving up and trying again its time I asked for some assistance with it. Bridget Moroney(Morony) married Patrick Bridgman in the Parish of Kilcornan & Stonehall, Askeaton, Co Limerick on the 2 June 1839. She was not on the 1901 census but her husband was 90 years old on there. I have seen the Marriage online so I have who were present at the marriage,. Joanne Moroney(Morony) and Michael Purcell. I have tried various spellings for all names and still no success. I don't know if Joanne is a sister, cousin or Aunt.

Bridgeman was spelt as Bridgman on the marriage record. If I could just find a few siblings and look for parents of them or just to know the parents it would get me off on the right leg to find more info on Bridget and her family. I have found several deaths for a Bridget Bridgman(Bridgeman) but on further research discover it is not the Bridget I am looking for. Patrick was a farmer and the various place names they lived at was Askeaton, Knocknaboula, Whiskey Hall, Ballyhahill and the place Patrick and his son were at on the 1901 census was Finnoe, Mohernagh, Co Limerick.

Many thanks in advance

grrlgypsy

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I looked at the marriage register online. I think the witness at the Bridgman-Moroney marriage may have been JOHN Moroney, whose name is written in Latin in the register.

glanvil3@aol.com

Not sure if you have these baptisms (rootsireland.ie) for children of Patrick and Bridget:

Church BaptismBridgemanCath.1842Co. Limerick
Church BaptismBridgemanThomas1846Co. Limerick
Church BaptismBridgemanCornelius1848Co. Limerick
Church BaptismBridgemanBridget1849Co. Limerick
Church BaptismBridgemanPatrick1855Co. Limerick
Church BaptismBridgemanBridget1859Co. Limerick
Church BaptismBridgemanJames1859Co. Limerick

glanvil3@aol.com

Another child for Bridget and Patrick...

Name: Margaret Bridgeman

Date of Birth: 26-Jan-1840

glanvil3@aol.com

Patrick is shown as living at the townland of Finnoe (Finnoo) in the 1901 census. He was also listed there in 1852 in Griffiths Valuation, so I suspect he lived there all his working life. That’s in the Glin civil registration area. I agree there’s no sign of Bridget’s death. Farmers didn’t move around much if they could avoid it and I would expect Bridget to have died at home or close to home. It’s possible that her death wasn’t registered but a more likely explanation is that she died before 1864, when death registration started. So there may be no record to find. Since she had a child in 1859, that narrows the likely timeline to 1859 - 1863.

In case you don’t have it, here’s the death, at Finoe (Finnoo), for what I assume is their son Thomas in 1888. Pat was the informant:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06172/4764133.pdf

Michael Bridgman was also living at Finnoo when he married Anastasia Ambrose in 1889:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1889/10730/5912093.pdf

Griffiths shows Patrick on plot 27 in Finnoo which was an 8.5 acre farm in 2 separate plots (27a & 27b). The house was on plot 27a. The land is still farmland today, judging by the satellite image on Griffiths.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Per RootsIreland (subscription)

Patrick died in 1902, age 95, widower, farmer, in Finoe, Shanagolden, Limerick, informant- Michael, his son.

Regards- Mary

mtvrdk@gmail.com

FYI,

The witness to Bridget and Patrick's wedding might be John Moroney. RootsIreland identified him as John. Bridget was married in Kilcornan, Stonehall probably where here family was from. There were other Moroneys (sp) getting married and baptized there at the time.

Different variations of John.

JohnJno, Jack, JN, Shane, Joannes, Joannis, Sean, Johnny, Joh, Johannes, Johnie

A sponsor to one of the children's baptisms was Catherine Moroney. There was also a John Moloney, maybe Moroney as a sponsor for Thomas Bridgeman- March 29, 1846.

Mary

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Many thanks Elwyn, Patricia and Mary. I did wonder if the witness was John and not Joanne Morony. Thank you Patricia, I do have those baptisms and also two others before the ones you mentioned. I find it hard to understand how to read the Griffiths Valuation. I see one plot is land with no building and rented from John Blennerhassett and the other plot as vacant but has a house on it. I am guessing that was an empty house and just underneath that there are two entries in his name that have a house on each. It looks like the second name there is Edmund Lynch but not 100% sure. I can't make out the first name. Would Patrick have owned those three plots with houses on them and the other two rented out.

The numbers are hard to read and numbers confuse me at the best of times.

Thank you for the death record of Patrick's son Thomas. I had him in America but deleted that information and added the correct death for him

I'll do some research on the Moron(e)y's around Kilcornan, Stonehall and see if I can find siblings or even parents that might match with Bridget

A grateful

Donna Bridgeman

grrlgypsy

Donna,

Patrick had 2 separate plots of land. Close together but not connected. 27a was a farmhouse, offices (outbuildings) and 7 acres, 3 roods & 0 perches. Then nearby was plot 27b comprising 1 acre 3 roods and 18 perches which also contained 2 labourers cottages (27Ba & 27Bb).. The land owner was John Blennerhasset so Patrick was renting from him. Patrick also had 3 labourers cottages on his land which he would sublet as required. 27Ab was beside the main farmhouse on 27a and was not occupied when Griffiths was compiled so shown as “vacant.” 27Ba & 27Bb were on his other plot and both were occupied. Agricultural labourers were essential to the farmer and helped with the work about the farm. They sometimes paid rent in cash but often it was an agreed amount of work a year, after which the labourer was free to take any other work that might be available. The 2 tenants look to be Conor Hardy & Edward/Edmund Lynch.

(40 perches in a rood and 4 roods to an acre). 

The final 3 columns show 1, the rateable value of the land, 2, same for the buildings and finally the total of those 2. These figures were used to calculate what you might loosely call “local taxes.”

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you, Elwyn and apologies for the late reply. Life has been very busy of late. Thank you for the information on the land Patrick leased.

Its easier to understand it all now. I've been trying to make a point of getting on RootsIreland to check for BDM's of Moroney's in Kilcornan, Stonehall

but time seems to be slipping thru my fingers of late

Regards

Donna Bridgeman

grrlgypsy

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