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Cleary Family of Balline townland, Emlygrennan (now Bulgaden-Martinstown Parish), Co. Limerick

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Ive been trying to identifythe parents of my 3G grandmother Margaret Cleary (abt. 1800-1858), who married attorney Patrick Molony, Esq. (1787-1848) of Tullybrackey House, Bruff, County Limerick in 1820.

I've already done a lot of research, but can't come to any final conclusions.I think my question could be easily answered by someone local or familiar with the Clearys in Balline.

I have Margaret and Patricks civil marriage record, as well as the 1820 Limerick Gazette announcement that the bride was from Ballyne in this county the townland Balline, about six miles from Bruff and near Kilmallock.

At that time, Balline would have been in Emlygrennan Parish, which is now part of the Bulgaden-Martinstown Parish.

First name Patrick corresponds to mothers father spot (2nd born son) in traditional Irish naming order of Margaret Cleary and Patrick Molonys children. There is a Patrick Cleary listed as 1822 baptismal sponsor of Patrick, 2nd son.

WILLS

A will dated 1809 lists Cleary, Patrick, Balline, Co. Limerick, Farmer, who may be Margarets father or relation.

Anotherwill dated 1828 lists Cleary, Patrick, Balline, Co. Limerick, Farmer, who may be Margarets fatheror relation.

Anotherwill dated 1874 lists Cleary, Patrick, Balline, Co. Limerick, Farmer, who left behind an unnamed widow, may be a brother or relation.

LAND RECORDS

Tithe records list a widowMrs. Clearyliving in Balline, Emlygrennan Parish, in 1832.

Estate Maps of Co. Limerick lists a Mrs. Cleary of Balline leasing from owner Gascoigne in 1845.

Griffiths (1848-1864) list Patrick Cleary in Balline, Emlygrennan Parish, possibly Margarets brother.

Theres an interesting,prosperous Cleary family that settled in the Gibbonstown,Ballinahinch and Kilmallock areas in the 1600s. At first glance, I thought they became Protestant because many were in the British army, but then I found that the Bulgaden Church was built by one of them, who was a priest, and daughters became nuns. I read that some started using the Clery spelling in the 1900s.

BALLINE HOUSE
There is a Balline House in Balline, in Emlygrennan Parish, listed on the National Inventory of Architectural Heritage. I can zero in on it on Google Maps.

I found reference to Balline House in the Cork Examiner 16 Jan 1878:
On Sunday, the 13th inst., at the Roman Catholic Church, Martinstown, Ballinavane, James MSweeney, son of Daniel MSweeney, Esq. of Bandon, to Mary Ann, second daughter of Patrick Cleary, Esq., Balline House, near Kilmallock. [Margarets brother or nephew?]

Then I found a caption to a photo of very unpretentious house on a Clery family website (see end of post*) that states Balline House. Daniel Geran Clerys uncle lived here.

Capt. Daniel Geran Clery (1835-1869, a soldier in the Kings regiment) had three uncles, Thomas Cleary, John Walsh OClery and Patrick. (No descendants of Patrick are listed on the 1890 tree by William John Clery, whos from another branch of the family).

(As I understand, Daniels uncles were the sons of Patrick Clery, who was the only son of James Clery of nearby Ballinahinch, buried in Athaneasy. James was the son of John Sean Clery, who acquired land now known as the townland of Gibbonstown in 1603.)

Since I think the first two uncles lived elsewhere (not Balline House), perhaps Daniels uncle in the house photo caption was Patrick.

QUESTION

In addition to identifying her parents, I would like to find out if my 3G grandmother Margaret Cleary was associated with Patrick Cleary of Balline House. The Patrick of Balline House in the 1878 Cork Examiner was also Catholic, as his daughter married in a Catholic church.

He is close enough to Margaret's generation to be a younger brother. According to traditional Irish naming order, Margarets father would have been named Patrick, the same name as this Patricks father.

Or perhaps Margaret is this Patricks relation who lived in another residence in Balline. Since Balline is such a tiny area (blink and you missed it), they had to have had some association.

Because Margaret married an educated attorney and lived in a lovely large house (owned by a Kirby descendant today) in nearby Bruff, she would be the right social standing to come from this Cleary family.

Has anyone else been researching or has Clearys in this area?

Thanks!
Joan in Los Angeles

*Some sources I've been looking at are:
Balline House photo and Old Family Tree 1890 by William John Clery found on http://clearyandcleryfamiliescolimerick.weebly.com

Above Cleary family tree info (with additional info) also found on:
Clan Clirigh DNA Project-Family Tree DNA website

Balline House, National Inventory of Architectural Heritage
http://www.buildingsofireland.ie/cgi-bin/viewsite.cgi?siteid=1650 ;

Joan Stewart Smith

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Hi John , My name is James Clery, part of the Cleary/Clery clan.  I've been researching the family for a while and may have information on this branch. I will have to look up my notes. There are two townlands called Balline, both close to the town of Kilmallock. Are you sure which Balline was where your relatives lived ? Check out this link for data on both.

https://www.townlands.ie/search/?q=Balline

I have data on the Clearys living in both townlands called Balline, and I hope I can be of help.

If you wish, you can email me at jamesclery@eircom.net

 

Regards

James

jamesclery@eir…

Hi again. Apologies (Joan not John). 

I think if you could establish which Balline refers to your ancestors, then you would know which branch of the Cleary family is closely related to you. To help I have 2 links showing the distance from Bruff to the two towlans called  Balline.

 

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/52.4074797,-8.4579258/52.4755675,-8.5473…

The above linkk refers to the distance  from Bruff to Balline in the present parish of Martinstown 14.10 km = 8.76 miles

The next link refers to the distance from Bruff to Balline in Bulgaden (7.40km = 4.28 Miles)

https://www.google.ie/maps/dir/52.4266879,-8.5113434/52.477537,-8.54776…

If you take into account the fact this data from Google maps refers to the present day "new" roads and that the old roads would have been much longer to travel, then it would seem that the Balline in Bulgaden may be the location of your ancestors, as according to the report from the 1820 Limerick Gazette states that the family lived about 6 miles from Bruff..

I hope the above is some help

Regards

James Clery

 

 

jamesclery@eir…

Hi James,

Thank you for getting back to me, and I’m happy to hear from a Clery/Cleary who descended from that area! I'll email you directly.  If we find out new information, I'll come back to this comment stream to add an update, just in case anyone else is researching the same line. Talk soon!

Joan 

 

 

Joan Stewart Smith

Hi Joan,

My Great Great Grandfather James Cleary was born in Bulgaden in 1836, The church record has his mother as Margaret Molony and lists his father as Maurice Cleary ( The marriage certificate names James's father as Mark Cleary). The informant on the record is a Margaret White. As I have a Cleary and a Molony you would imagine these are tied closely to yours.

 

Thanks

 

Chris.

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Hi Chris, looks as if your 3G grandparents Maurice Cleary and Margaret Molony of Bulgaden were the same generation as my 3G grandparents Patrick Molony and Margaret Cleary of Bruff – with my Margaret Cleary mostly likely from the townland Balline now in the present R.C. parish of Bulgaden (previously Athneasy Civil Parish).  I descend from their daughter Bridget Molony, who married Joseph Kirby, and lived in Bruff.  

I don't know Margaret Cleary's exact parentage in Bulgaden parish, but with some invaluable help from a possible distant cousin I met on Ireland I/O, I've been able to determine that she's from that parish. Clues were the names of her children's baptismal sponsors and an interesting neighbor and family connection - that she may be an aunt of a Maria Cleary of Bulgaden who married a John Molony, probable cousin of Patrick, across the road from where Margaret and Patrick lived in Bruff.

I'm sure you've read in this comment stream a reply to me from James Clery, whom I met on this very post.  Last year, we spent many long hours (he in Ireland and I in Los Angeles) researching whether my Margaret came from the Balline in Bulgaden or the Balline in Martinstown.  Originally from the same area, he is a Cleary/Clery genealogy expert - especially of the ones in the area around Bulgaden R.C. and Martinstown R.C.

James wrote:  “There was a concentration of the Cleary family around Bulgaden, and they later moved and settled in neighboring townlands and parishes. They became so numerous that between the years of 1814 and 1899 there are listed no fewer than 297 children baptised in parish of Bulgaden and Martinstown to either a Cleary mother or a Cleary father, and often both parents were Clearys.”  

So Chris, I am hoping that James will see your comment here and reply.  If not, I'll be in touch again here and get you two connected. He may know of your family line in Bulgaden.

 

Joan Stewart Smith

Hi Joan

Hope all is well with you. Your ancestor Fr. Marcus Cleary was C.C. of Bruff in 1841 and held this position for a few years prior to returning to Bulgaden as P.P.

johnocarroll0@…

John17, I'm sorry that I am now seeing your comment about Fr. Marcus Cleary – 6 months later!  After seeing your comment, I did some research and see that Fr. Marcus was curate of St. Peter and St. Paul church, Bruff in 1842.  After that, at Our Lady of the Assumption church, Bulgaden and Ballinvana parish, he was curate 1843-44, then parish priest from 1863-1886.  The parish priest "Marcus O'Clery" died 8 Dec 1886, aged 74, and is buried within the church.  According to what I found, Fr. Marcus was born about 1812 to William Cleary and Elizabeth O'Grady. His 2nd great grandfather is said to be John Cleary, one of three brothers expelled from Kilbarron Castle, Co. Donegal. He bought the land in 1603 now known as Gibbonstown, in Kilbreedy Major civil parish, part of today's Bulgaden Catholic parish.  Because my 3G grandmother Margaret Cleary who married Patrick Moloney of Tullybrackey, Bruff was from the same area, she is probably related, but I'm not sure how.  She is the right generation to be Marcus' sister, but she didn't name a daughter Elizabeth, which was the name of Marcus' mother, so probably related in another way through one of the many other Clearys of Bulgaden parish. Thanks for bringing Fr. Marcus to my attention, as I enjoyed researching him!

Joan Stewart Smith

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