Treacy's of Bellmount

Hi Kerrie,

Thank you for your message.

I have forwarded it onto one of our volunteers who hopefully may be able to advise or assist you.

Kind regards,

Genealogy Support

 

I am on holidays so I do not have access to all of my data but we may be luck. My knowledge of the Tracey clan comes via my wife's side. One of her descendants was an Elizabeth Tracey who died around 1864. I have been researching the Tracey clan trying to find where she fits in. I have some materials chief of which is a Tracey family history book from a wonderful Tracey descendant who lives outside of Boston.    She will be most interested in your materials.  Once I get a chance I will look to see what the paper resource has on dear William.

Part of the frustrating part of Irish research is the myriad on place names. Each layer of government and the clergy had their own terms. Casltecomer is a very large area. Coolcullen is a much smaller location as their was only a few Protestant churches. The Mothell church served a fairly small group. I have heard of Belmount which I beleive is a townland.

One of my main resources for land locations are people who either lived in the area in the past or who live there now. I have a few contacts.

I will follow up soon...

 

 

 

Thank you Emma. Much appreciated.

Kind regards,

Kerrie

Hello,

That will be wonderful. I'm also away from all my resources at the moment, as had to unexpectedly travel away yesterday! I will look forward to hearing from you.

Much appreciated,

Kerrie

I looked at my printed Treacy resource and I think we have a different one. This Richard was born about 1777 and settled in Canada (North Adjala in Simcoe Co.). He was Catholic. He married Bridget Hanley.

While searching I came across this reference:

Thomas Shirley , b. pre 1728, Bellmount, Coon East Kilkenny

I have a record of an email from a relative of this Thomas Shirley who grew up in the area:

"The Bellmount (or Belmont) is probably the place in Coon East where my family, the Shirleys, settled in 1760. There is another Bellmount in Kilkenny, way down near Waterford"

Likely Bellmount was what was called a townland. We would know it as a village. They were usually no larger than 10-12 families. There were thousands of them that came into and out of existence. My own version is a place called Ballysallah in Kilkenny . It no longer exists.

From Wikipedia:

Townland - Coan East

Acres - 1,720

County  - Kilkenny

Baronny - Fassadinin  Civil Parish - Dysart

Poor Law Union - Castlecomer

Coon was also spelled Coen. It was across the River Dinin from Coolcullen. If your Richard Treacy was married in the area likely it was at Mothell Church in Ossory Diocese. I checked out some records I have of births - marriages - deaths. There were Treacy's living there.

Mothell Burials:

NO.

NAME

 

ABODE

WHEN BURIED

AGE

MINISTER

115

 

Elizabeth Treacy

Coone

2 August 1921

76

 

172

 

Charles Robert Treacy

Coon East

23 September 1953

69

S.R.W. Nadden

Mothell Baptisms

 

 

 

 

Parents Names

Parents Names

                         

 

No.

When Baptized

When Born

Child’s Christian Names

Christian

Surname

Abode

Trade or Profession

23

 

Jan 25 1885

Oct 10 1884

Robert Charles

John & Elizabeth

Treacy

Coone

Farmer

These records come from pictures of the original parish register that a contact of mine took. She did it quickly and some copies were pretty blurry.

This from another close by town land:

Baptisms – Old Leiglin

Tracy

William

20

June

1799

son of William Tracy, and Anne, his wife

Tracy

Maria

13

March

1804

daughter of William Tracy, and Anne his wife, of the Parish of Wells

Tracy

Anne

22

Dec

1805

daughter of William Tracy, and Anne his wife, of the Parish of Wells

Treacy

James

10

June

1801

son of William Treacy, and Anne, his wife, of the Parish of Wells

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Old_Leighlin_Bapt_2.htm

from: MARRIAGE LICENCES FROM THE DIOCESE OF OSSORY 1739-1804
Presented by Raymond Refausse

Wm. Ransford of Rathglass in the Co of Carlow, Farmer, and Mary Treacy of the Parish of Comer (most likely Castlecomer), Spinster. Both Prots. - The Irish Genealogist, Vol 8, #2, p. 266

Wm. Treacy of Leighlin Bridge in the Co. of Carlow, Coal Merchant, and Ann Bradley of Coolbawn in the Parish of Comer, Spinster. - The Irish Genealogist, Vol 8, #2, p. 399

I found 32 Tracey baptisms from a place called Dunleckney the 1830’s in nearby Bagnelstown:

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlcar2/Dunleckney_index.htm

Samuel Gordon

Emma Treacy who married William Gordon in 1845 (son of Samuel Gordon of Coolcullen)

MOTHELL FAMILIES Document - 1817

This is from a list created in 1817 of potential emigrants to Canada. It was used to get funds for middlemen who booked passage for settlers wanting to leave Ireland:

Coolcullen

GORDON, Samuel, Mary, John, Samuel,

This is the parents – Samuel and Mary and their 2 children in descending age – John and Samuel.

Also:

From: VIOLENCE, RENT, IMPROVEMENT AND DISTRESS ON THE FRANKFORT ESTATES IN KILKENNY DURING THE EIGHTEEN FORTIES by Desmond Norton

“At least one important tenant on Coolcullen, Samuel Gordon, was in serious difficulties in January 1849, when Stewart wrote to Kincaid: “Get rid of old Gordon or come to some settlement with him”. The Griffith Valuation of 1850 indicates that Gordon was then still a tenant to Frankfort, on 61 acres in Coolcullen.”

And later:

At the time of the cessation of private road works during the Summer of 1846, Rev Graves of Mothel Rectory had written to SK "on behalf of the tenants and labourers on Lord Frankfort's estate", requesting that those useful works be recommenced. On 5 October, Samuel Gordon, one of Frankfort's most important tenants, wrote to SK: “Public works can be had for Coolcullen ...if timely application be made by proper agents .... It is therefore hoped you will not disregard this important business, and if such grant be obtained, ... a continuation of the line of road made last summer by Mr Cathro ... would open a communication thro' some hundred acres now nearly barran for want of means of improvement” (firstly, access).

James Disney

There is a James listed in the 1876 Kilkenny Landowners:

48. James Disney, Reps. of, no address given, owned 73 acres.

Louisa Catherine Treacy

I found a birth record for her in Carlow. Here is the link. I love that these are linked to digital copies of the original document. It can be hard to isolate but make sure you key into the birthdate –19 April 1820

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7e7e360004113

John Stephanson Henry

I found one in Dunleckney born in 1804:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a335970006753

Morgan O’Neill b. 1810

I found one in Dunleckney born in 1810:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/df281a0006894

Notice the trend? Dunleckney was an older Protestant settlement. I did some basic looking to see if ther Treacy family clustered together. I found some of the earliest ones were in Tullow (also called Tullowcreen) and Old Leighlin. The oldest was 1708 in Tullow.

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=&namel=Treacy&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&diocese=CARLOW+(COI)&parish=¢ury=1700&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddB=&mmB=&yyB=&ddM=&mmM=&yyM=&ddD=&mmD=&yyD=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&submit=Search

Another greast resource is the Irish Deeds registery:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/by_name/name423.htm

They have loads of Treacy's but only one R. Tracey.

I hope this helps.

Hello Rgriffith,

I am so embarrassed to find your last message this week and realise that I have not replied! Sincere apologies.Thank you for all of your kind research above. It was really helpful. I have re-visited our Treacy family the past fortnight and made further progress, finding most of their baptism, marriage and burial records via Roots Ireland and connecting more of the dots. I do believe that Belmont was a townland as you have suggested in the Coen area. 

It matches the note in JS Henry's journal, as only 9 miles from Carlow Station.  I have read this area is only about half a mile from Coolcullen. I did find note in the Shirley's history, saying that in an 1851 survey, Belmont townlands are in Kilcullihen Parish (Coolcullen?)  In the parish of Dysart, there was no church in 1837. The church in Mothell was used, according to  A Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837)

The Elizabeth, Charles and Robert Treacy from Coen may have been relatives of Richard, but are not in his immediate family.I wonder if they still have descendants there. 

William of Leighlinbridge was Richard's eldest brother. His widow and many of his children emigrated to Australia after his death.

Another older brother, Andrew, was a contractor on the roads, and lived with Richard and their widowed mother at Belmont.

According to family notes, his only sister Catherine (written as Charlotte) married Thomas Budds of Timogue, Queen's Co. I can't verify this, but Thomas and Catherine's chidren did have our particular Treacy family name pattern.

His brother John was said to be of Brigadie House, Co. Antrim, according to family notes.

I have cousins in Australia who have visited Ireland and have taken photos of Mothell Church and the graveyard. Perhaps this is where some of our ancestors are buried. I have attached a couple of their photos with their permission for anyone to use.

 William Henry Tracy (son of Richard Tracy, Farmer) married Maria Dobbs, (daughter of Kildare Dobbs, Sub agent) 8 August 1849. John Stephenson Henry was their first witness. I have copy of a note from William saying he had finally decided to 'get hitched' and asking John to stand with him. Wiiliam was of Bellemount and Maria (recorded as Mary) was of Coolbawn. (I notice Kildare Dobbs is buried at St Mary's Castlecomer). William was recorded as a Gentleman. His nephew, George, thought he was a surveyor, and remembered him playing the bagpipes quite well. His big sister Sally was calling for him when on her death bed aboard the Asia. She was only 34 when she "quietly resigned her spirit to the Almighty creator" after being "not too well for many weeks"

Sadly William was only about 31 when he died, St Mary's-Castlecomer, leaving Maria a young widow with only son, Richard Kildare Treacy 19 March 1853.

Richard's grandson, Richard Kildare Tracy, was to also die young 23 February 1880, Belmount, Coon at age 29. He left a young widow, Jennie nee Sayers, and no offspring. The Treacy Clan site provides much information about their connection with the Wandesworth Estate. Jennie relinquished her farm to RHP Wandesworthe in exchange for an annuity for her mother-in-law, Maria Treacy and herself. I would this property would have been the Coen property of the Belmount name.

I still have not found out what government business led Richard to Philedelphia. Perhaps it was to do with the colliery.

I have added some notes of records for Richard and his family in case any other Henry, O'Neill or Gordon descendants are searching. I will post some Gordon details in another message. Unfortunately I think this particular Treacy branch of the family name died out with the early death of Richard Kildare Treacy.

Many thanks for your help again.

Kind regards

Kerrie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

HELLO. I HAVE JUST BECOME A FULLY FLEDGED MEMBER ON IRELAND REACHING OUT. WHILST JOINING UP WITH QUITE A FEW PARISHES IN KILKENNY AND READING THROUGH THE MESSAGES. I WAS MOST INTERESTED WHEN THE TOWNLAND OF BELMOUNT (SPELT SEVERAL WAYS) CAME UP - WELL, IT JUMPED OUT AT ME ESPECIALLY AT THE MENTION OF THE 'SHIRLEY' FAMILY NAME - AND TO TOP IT ALL...THE SHIRLEY BRANCH YOU MENTIONED ARE ACTUALLY MY OWN LINE OF SHIRLEY'S..... GAVE ME GOOSEBUMPS... :-)

Belmount House is just outside Coon Village , I was in it today, 

john f headen