Hickeys & Cullens in Inistioge/Thomastown

Dear John

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

As you can see from the link below, Inistiogue is a Civil Parish in Co. Kilkenny:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=1354&civilparish=Inistioge&citycounty=Kilkenny

Records for the corresponding Roman Catholic Parish of Inistioge and Clodiagh (aka The Rower) begin in 1810 for baptisms, while marriage records begin in 1827. The townland you are looking for is spelt 'Ballinabarney' according to The Index to the Townlands of Ireland 1851. The RC Diocese in question is the Diocese of Ossory. As you believe your ancestor, John, was born in 1847 you should be able to locate a church baptism record as well as church and civil records of his marriage:

www.familysearch.org has a huge database of genealogical records including some church records for Ireland.

www.rootsireland.ie have a large collection of Irish Church records, however you have to pay to use this site.

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/ have begun a project to upload Irish church records to their site free of charge. However, so far only Counties Dublin, Kerry, Carlow and parts of Cork have been covered.

Other important sources include the Tithe Applotment Books and Griffith?s Valuation. Even though these sources only record the head of the household, the information is very important and can be valuable:

Tithe Applotment Books (1823-1837): http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp

Griffith?s Valuation (1847-1864): http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

The National Archives of Ireland: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/  you can search the 1901/1911 Census on the National Archives page too, for instances of the family name at that time

Remember to post any new information that you find here. The more information you post, the more likely it is that one of our volunteers will be able to advise or assist you. Also include information concerning which sources you may have already used so others may further your search.

I hope this answers your questions. Best of luck with your search

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support

Dear Clare. Thank you for your advice. I will check some of those sources and get back in contact if I have further questions. Best regards.

Dear Clare,

An update with some new information, and two questions please.

Based upon a search on RootsIreland as you suggested, I ordered and received the Thomas Hickey - Anne Cullen civil marriage register extract from the GRO. I believe it is the first marriage of my great grandfather. (He married my great grandmother ten years later in New Zealand.) The witnesses were James Walsh and Bridget Power. The record shows that the ceremony was performed in January 1869 at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Inistioge in the Registrar's District of Inistioge in the Union of Thomastown in the County of Kilkenny.

The Catholic Registry for 1865 lists the officiant, William Martin, as a curate in the Diocese of Ossory, Parish of Inistioge, and Post Town of Inistiogue [sic].
http://books.google.com/books?id=o6gpAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA191&lpg=PA191&dq=Rev…

According to page 9 of the "Guide to Inistioge: A village for all seasons" at the Inistioge website, "St Columcille’s Church was built in 1836, following Catholic Emancipation in 1829."
http://www.inistioge.ie/tiny_mce/plugins/uploaded/Guide%20to%20Inistiog…

The website for the Ossory Diocese, Parish of Inistioge lists St. Colmcille, Inistioge as one of the three parish churches.
http://www.ossory.ie/parishes-and-people/diocesan-database/parish-detai…

The 1865 Catholic Registry does not list church names, only the parish name. Of course, the exact church may not be important if the church records are kept at the parish level.

It doesn't look like the Family History Library/FamilySearch has very many Ossory Diocese records, but it appears that the County Kilkenny library Local Studies' Department does hold the records for Inistioge and Clodiagh.

My questions:

If the bride and groom were married "at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Inistioge in the Registrar's District of Inistioge in the Union of Thomastown in the County of Kilkenny" can I conclude that the 1869 ceremony most likely took place at St. Colmcille's?

Does the Local Studies' Department at the County Kilkenny library perform look-ups and a copying service for the R.C. church records? If so, do they charge a fee?

Thank you for your advice and assistance.

Dear John

Great to hear from you again. In relation to your questions:

(1) If the bride and groom were married "at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Inistioge in the Registrar's District of Inistioge in the Union of Thomastown in the County of Kilkenny" can I conclude that the 1869 ceremony most likely took place at St. Colmcille's?

I would also conclude that St. Colmcille?s was the actual location of the marriage.

(2) Does the Local Studies' Department at the County Kilkenny library perform look-ups and a copying service for the R.C. church records? If so, do they charge a fee?

Kilkenny Local Studies? can provide information, guidance and help in the following areas:

?         Genealogical research and family history

?         Access to local newspapers, past and present

?         Maps ? Library collection and Historical Maps online

?         Information on local historical events, people and places

?         Photographic archive and old postcards

?         Kilkenny Studies ? authors and works

?         Kilkenny folklore and traditions

Materials can be reproduced subject to copyright.

Best wishes

Clare 

Genealogy Support

Dear Clare,

My next update and two more questions?

At your suggestion I wrote to Declan MacAuley at the County Library and heard back from Dean Brett in the Local Studies Department.

As a rule they do not undertake research for clients, but as I had provided all the particulars of the wedding (names, date, location, etc.), they graciously looked up the record and provided me a digital copy of the church marriage register entry.

Now, my next project is to find the births of their chidren. If their residence is shown as "Ballinabarney" in the Inistioge R.C. parish marriage register, then that townland would have been/is in the same R.C. parish it appears.

1. Can I assume that regardless of the church, that the baptisms, if they exist, would likely all be in the same parish register?

2. If the County library does not normally perform look-ups, do you have any suggestions on how best to research their records?

Thank you again for your advice and assistance!

Dear John

That's great progress in a short time!

In relation to your questions:

(1) Yes, I would think it is the same church, unless, that is, they moved after getting married. Usually the couple would marry in the home parish of the bride and maybe return to the groom's house to live. Not always, but generally this was the case. My great granfather for example moved in with his new wife and mother-in-law, so there are always exceptions.

(2) You can contact the GRO at the link below for copies of civil birth, marriage and death certificates. You can use www.rootsireland.ie again to check for children of the marriage. After 1864 civil records are available:

http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/Certificates/

Best wishes

Clare

Genealogy Support

 

Dear John

That's great progress in a short time!

In relation to your questions:

(1) Yes, I would think it is the same church, unless, that is, they moved after getting married. Usually the couple would marry in the home parish of the bride and maybe return to the groom's house to live. Not always, but generally this was the case. My great granfather for example moved in with his new wife and mother-in-law, so there are always exceptions.

(2) You can contact the GRO at the link below for copies of civil birth, marriage and death certificates. You can use www.rootsireland.ie again to check for children of the marriage. After 1864 civil records are available:

http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/Certificates/

Best wishes

Clare

Genealogy Support

 

Hi John

I am also related to Thomas Hickey (my Great grandfather) .Thomas first wife was Anne Cullen (Ireland), his second wife was Judith Brown (NZ) and his tird wife was Mary McGivern. I have quite a lot of information on the Hickey Family in Ireland and New Zealand. Can we communicate directly as we must be related and would like to share information.

Regards

Pat Hickey

Hi Pat

If you would like me to pass along your email address you can contact me privately at cdoyle@irelandxo.com

Best wishes

Clare 

Genealogy Support 

John: Sorry, I don't have time to read all the posts,....maybe your question has alreadu been answered.

 

Ballynabarnay townland, [Baile na bearna - place of the gap - 554 acres], is a townland in The Rower parish. Look on the R705, just north of the R700 at 'The Stripe'. The townland itself is a few miles northwest of 'the Stripe', just off the R700. The Rower Parish Church of the Assumption is paired with St. Columbcill's, Inistiogue. Assumption parish celebrates 200 years this year.

 

Parish priest is

Very Rev. Richard Scriven (1984)

Address: The Rower, Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny
Phone: 087 2420033
Mobile: 087 2420033
Fax: 051-423858
Email: rscriven@eircom.net

 

Good luck,

 

Richard Corcelli

Gravenhurst, Ontario

CANADA