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Looking for descendants of Andreas (Andrew) Griffin who married Margarita Kennedy in 1858 in Tralee, Co. Kerry.

Kerry

Margarita Kennedy was born 1830. She married Andreas (Andrew) Griffin in Tralee Co. Kerry Ireland. My great grandmother Mary (birth registered as Maria) was their first child born in 23 August 1859. Mary emigrated as a single woman to Australia at the age of 19 arriving in Brisbane in November 1877. I am curious about why she would travel alone to such a distant place without any family. Did her father die. Was the familly destitute?

Hannah

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Hannah,

They also had another son - Michael Griffin baptized on 11 Sept 1861. The town land given is Clogherbrien which is the same as on the baptism record of Mary. 

The couple were married on 21 Nov 1858, his father was James and her father was Patrick. Both of their residences were given as "Lonorth"....not sure where that is, and is probably not spelled correctly. There is no telling why she left for Australia as there are probably a number of reasons. You can look in the civil death records for her parents as they begin in 1871. 

Regards,

Carolyn

Hi Carolyn,

This information is greatly appreciated. Somewhere in one of my online searches (MyHeritage, I think) it gives Andreas's father as "Jacobi Griffin"and hers as "Thomo Kennedy". This must be incorrect and explains why I am not finding relevant information.  I will now search using your correct parent names.  A big thank you!   Hannah

Hannah

Thank you for the information. Evidence now points to the fact that Mary travelled on her own as a single woman to Moreton Bay (Brisbane) on the ship RODELL BAY in 1877 at the age of 19. She must have been very courageous.

I suspect that her father Andrew Griffin, a farmer, may have died and she saw a future in emigrating to Australia. Any more information on Andrew or Margaret Griffin (married 1858 in Tralee, Ireland) will be greatly appreciated.

I knew none of this about 2 weeks ago and all the information has been provided by your message board. THANK YOU!

Hannah

Hannah,

I believe Mary was on the Newcastle. The Mary who travelled on the Rodell Bay, as I mentioned before, was Scottish.

Regards- Mary. 

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From previous message

Ancestry record

Mary Griffin

in the Queensland, Australia, Immigration Records: Passengers and Crew, 1852-1899

NameMary Griffin
GenderFemale
NationalityIrish
Marital StatusSingle
Arrival Age19
Record TypeDeparture
Birth Dateabt 1858
Departure Date19 Jul 1877
Departure PlaceLondon
ShipNewcastle
Arrival Date15 Nov 1877
Arrival PlaceBrisbane
OccupationDomestic Servant
Reference Number1852-1899
CommentsEntry Crossed Out
Ship MasterWilliam Joseph Whereat
Passenger or CrewPassenger

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Hi Mary TV,

I am confused now because I have a digital copy of a hand written list of passengers on the "Newcastle" that I was able to find in the Queensland records online and there is no Mary Griffin listed. There is a Bridget Griffin on that ship but no Mary Griffin.

I have attched an extract from that list in the alphabetical position that Mary Griffin would likely be entered. Also attached is the entry from the Rodell Bay. That list does not provide nationality.

Thank you, Hannah

Hannah

Hannah, did your ancestors live in Maryborough, Qld?? If so, there was a Mary Griffin (17) who arrived on the ship Saraca, 14/12/1877, in Maryborough, Qld. The Saraca departed from Scotland.  

My ancestors came from County Clare, Ireland and when they immigrated to Brisbane, Qld, their departure deport was Glasgow, Scotland. I believe many Irish made the trip to Scotland to board a ship to Australia.

marymeikle6@gm…

Not sure why Ancestry had Newcastle file, but Mazza seems to be knowledgeable about when Mary Griffen came to Australia.

I wish you well with your research- Mary

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Yes, Mary married in Maryborough Queensland in 1878.  She was 21 when she married my g-grandfather in 1878. I know that for sure because I have a copy of her marriage certificate. 

As her birthday was in August, she would have turned 20 on arrival in Australia in 1877. I am assuming the age is correct at the time of boarding the ship and not disembarkment?  Both of the Mary Griffin's (one on the Newcastle and the other on the Rodell Bay) were listed as 19 year olds. Both arrived in 1877 in Brisbane. This is my dilemma! The timing of arrival and ages make them both possibilities! I do not know which one of the two Mary Griffins is my g-grandmother.

The Mary Griffin on the "Saraca" would not have been 21 if she married in 1878 -  she was 17 on the passenger list in 1877. I can rule out a number of other Mary Griffins who emigrated (too many with that same name!) because they had to have arrived before the marriage in 1878.

It is either Mary Griffin on the "Newcastle" or the other on the "Rodell Bay".   

Does any source identify the nationalities of these two Mary Griffins? I know that one ship (Rodell Bay) departed Glasgow but does that mean that the Mary Griffin on board was necessarily Scottish. Any more help will be appreciated. 

Hannah

Hannah, I have provided you this info previously. This record is from Ancestry.com 

From Ancestry Note-Scottish nationality. Thomas also identified as Scottish.

NameMary Griffen
GenderFemale
NationalityScottish
Marital StatusSingle
Arrival Age19
Record TypeDeparture
Birth Dateabt 1858
Departure Date7 Apr 1877
Departure PlaceGlasgow
ShipRodell Bay
Arrival Date4 Jul 1877
Arrival PlaceBrisbane
Reference Number1852-1899
Ship MasterJohn Sutherland
Passenger or CrewPassenger

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In my previous message, I had noted a Thomas Griffen (21) was also travelling on the ship, Rodell Bay, and was Scottish.

Hannah sometimes Ancestry provides the actual passenger's list. They did not provide for either ship just the transcribed info I have shared. Not sure why they had Mary on the Newcastle. It might have been a mistake.

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Thank you.  Is it possible that Mary and Thomas are listed as Scottish on Ancestry because they embarked in Glasgow? 

Also my Mary is a GRIFFIN and not a GRIFFEN. 

Thomas Griffin was an "assisted" migrant and his voyage to Australia would have been subsidized by the government.  According to the passenger list Mary was a "free" passenger who either paid her own way without government assistance or had government-subsidized passage in which no debt was owed upon arrival.  I suspect the latter because I do not think that she would have been financially well-off. 

Mazza said that his Irish ancetors departed from Glasgow and so I am hoping that ancestry is wrong about the nationality of the Mary Griffin on the "Rodell Bay" in 1877. If not, then I am back to square one!

If anyone can access passenger records from Glasgow in 1877 for the Rodell Bay then I would be interested in that information.

Thank you Ireland XO

 

Hannah

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