Bob,

I found these records on Irishgenealogy- Church Records out for their children. I did not find a marriage record.

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Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - KILGARVAN

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Baptism of ELLEN CONNOR of SHANDRIM on 9 June 1842

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Regards- Mary

Bob,

I could not locate their marriage record even though the records for the RC parish of Kilgarvan began in 1818; however, this record might be one of their siblings marrying each other:

Denis Malvey & Margaret Connor, Shandrum, 30 Oct 1821. Witnesses: Daniel Connor & Jeremiah Connor. 

Even if you do find the marriage record, it probably will not have their father's names as the early records did not show that information. 

Regards,

Mary and Carolyn,

Thank you both for your assistance. Shandrum seems to be very close to Kilgarvan (a few miles to the south) so I suspect these children are part of who I am searching for.  I believe John H was another son, born to Jeremiah and Honora/Hanorah 30 Oct 1833 or 1838 (my records vary). I hope to travel to the area either later this year or next. 

Bob

Bob,

Just to clarify things....Shandrum is the town land they lived in which is in the RC parish of Kilgarvan, also the name of the civil parish. They were not from the town land of Kilgarvan which is in the LIsselton civil parish. 

Regards, 

Carolyn,

Thank you for the clarification.  Jeremiah and Honora//(Hanorah as it is spelled on her gravestone) had another son, John H O'Connor (My GG Grandfather, emigrated to America, died in Massachusetts). His headstone indicates he is from Kilgarvan, Co. Kerry.  I assumed, based on the proximity of Shandrum to Kilgarvan, and with no other successful searches for the time period and area, that they (Timothy, Ellen and Daniel) are all of the same family as John H. Let me know if you think my assumptions are incorrect or inaccurate.  I am trying to put together as much information as possible and I am planning a trip to Ireland within the next year. Also I can find little in the way of grave markers in Kilgarvan, and none in Shandrum, to give me hints. One in the Kilgarvan Old Graveyard just marked "Connor" is about it.  Any suggestions would be appreciated. I believe most of the records for anyone farther back than Jeremiah and Hanorah's generation might be lost to time.  Let me know if you think hiring a local genealogist would likely turn up more than my (and your) efforts have in going further back. Bob

Bob,

I found John's baptism record on irishgenealogy.ie, here is the information:

John Connor, 1 Nov 1830

Sandrum, RC parish Kilgarvan

Jeremiah Connor

Honora Maley

Sponsor: Gobnet Sughurue

So he is a bit older than what you thought. You might check out the Tithe Applotment books and Griffith's Valuation records for Shandrum as that looks to be the town land your relations are from. Generally, only the weathly could afford a grave marker, so I doubt that avenue will produce results. I don't think hiring a local genealogist is the best way to spend your money....spend it on the travels to Shandrum! As I mentioned before, even if you find their marriage record, the parent's names probably won't be there...maybe a witness who might be a sibling, but there is no way to know that for certain. Finally, regarding it stating that John was from Kilgarvan on his headstone, that doesn't mean the town land....headstones I the US often mention a more general area such as a parish, county, etc......

Regards,

Bob,

I took a look at the Griffith's (1852) myself, and while I did not find a Jeremiah Connor, I did find a Daniel Connor as a tenant in Shandrum, Kilgarvan...landlord was Mary Sullivan. There is no way to be certain, but given the Irish naming convention of naming the first born son after the father's father, Daniel could be Jeremiah's father. He could also be his brother or some other relation. In order for Daniel to be his father though, he would have been born around 1780 give or take a few years, and by 1852, he would have been "elderly" for that time period, so one cannot be certain he still held a tenancy at that age. One never knows!

Regards,

Just noticed that one of the baptism sponsors for Daniel Connor was Mary Sullivan....wonder if that's the landlord above?!

Carolyn,

It's been a year since we conversed. I am planning a trip to Ireland and will be in the Kilgarvan/Shandrum area during the May 20-23 time period. Thank you for all of your help. I am looking forward to at least setting foot in the area my ancestors walked- it's quite exciting to think of. I haven't gotten any further in my search, but then perhaps I am not meant to. There has to be an ending point and I may have already reached it.

Bob,

You will have a fantastic trip despite not having all the "answers"! Kerry is an amazingly beautiful county...make sure you get to the Dingle peninsula if you have the time....the town of Dingle is great! My husband hiked the Dingle way a few years back (I drove), and had an amazing time. I have ancestors from the RC parish of Ballymacelligot, Kerry and just being in that area felt like home. My maiden name is O'Connor as well, but that line hails from Co. Clare.

Slainte!