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John Ryan & Sarah Torpey Ryan

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My great great grandmother is buried in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. USA. Her grave stone says "Sacred to the Memory of my Mother, Native of County Galway Ireland died Jan 7, 1869 age 70 years". So she was born abt 1799 or earlier? I found her with 2 sons in the 1860 US census., James J Ryan (born abt 1837) and Michael Ryan (born abt 1843). My understanding from my mother's family is thta her husband John Ryan died before they came to the US. Other records indicate that was about 1850-1855. I found a record of a 1824 marriage of Michael Ryan to a Sarah Torpy in St Brendans in Cappataggle. John Ryan was the witness. I am trying to find out where Sarah is from in Galway and where she and John Ryan were married. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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I misstated the following in the above post "I found a record of a 1824 marriage of Michael Ryan to a Sarah Torpy in St Brendans in Cappataggle. John Ryan was the witness.THere is the correction: " I found a Feb 1824 marriage of Sara Torpy and John Ryan in Cappataggle, Galway, Ireland. Diocese Clonfert. A number of Parishes were mentioned. Additionally I found a baptism of a Michael Ryan on 23 Aug 1843 parents Sarh Torpy and John Ryan, Loughrea, Galway, Ireland" I have been unable to find the baptism of James J Ryan born ~1837 to Sarah Torpy and John Ryan

 

 

margegillis@ya…

Marge:

Welcome to Ireland Reaching Out!

Since the marriage was in Cappataggle then the related civil parishes were Killallaghten and Kilreekill. I checked the Tithe listings for those parishes and did not see any Torpy records. The 1855 Griffiths Valuation head of household listing for Killallaghten civil parish dis show a Micheal Tarpy in Eastwell townland. Possibly there is a connection to Sarah.

http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/galway/killallaghten.htm

You may have this information already but there were at least seven children for John  and Sarah: Joan 1825 Honora 1827 Mary 1830 Michael 1834 (died young?) Thomas 1840 Michael 1843  You can try the Loughrea register around 1837 to see if you can find James. http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0336

Have you considered autosomal DNA testing?

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Roger

WOW. Thanks you so much! I did NOT know that there were seven children. I think when I was looking for James's baptism I did find a Thomas but then I went onto other research. This gives me a lot to go further on.  I assume that these are all baptismal records. Are they all from Cappataggle or are they in different locations? Thanks for the links! I am sure that I will be contacting you again.  I appreciate this so much. Marge Gillis PS I cannot seem to get a carriage return in this text box. When I hit return it puts my cursor back to the beginning of the box.

 

margegillis@ya…

Marge:

Sorry for the typos. I will fix them when I get home (currently babysitting). If you are using an I-Pad like I'm using right now, you will get the return problem. I have no Return issues on my PC.

The baptismal records were all in Loughrea.

Roger

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

It has been quite a while since I was on this website and posted but I wanted to report that I made some progress yesterday. 

I made some progress yesterday in that I found Sarah Torpey and her father in the 1821 Irish Census on familsearch.org
I found one of my great great great grandfathers!! His name is Andrew Tarpy (Torpey). He was born in about 1771 in Galway Ireland and he was a linen weaver! 

The gravestone where Sarah Torpey Ryan is buried in Old Cathedral in Philadelphia Pennsylvania, has the following written on the stone, This helped me find her marriage record because it gave me her age and narrowed it down to Co Galway!

SACRED TO THE MEMORY
OF MY MOTHER
SARAH RYAN
NATIVE OF CO. GALWAY
IRELAND
DIED JAN 7, 1869
AGED 70 YEARS
Here is her find a grave entry

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/43837265/sarah-ryan

 I found Sarah Tarpy  listed as a 23 year old in Ireland in the 1821 Irish Census!! She is with her father whose name is Andrew Tarpy. 

More details:

 John Ryan and Sarah Torpey were married in Cappataggle County Galway Ireland. The name of the townland where John Ryan resided at the time was called Cahernagarry.

Sarah and her father Andrew show up here in the 1821 census:

Cahernagarry is in the Electoral Division of Bullaun, in Civil Parish of Kilreekil, in the Barony of Leitrim, in the County of Galway
 
So now I want to know when Andrew died and where he is buried and who her mother was and where she is buried. Also I am looking for the other children of John Ryan and Sarah Torpey Ryan.

All hints and help would be greatly appreciated!
thanks
Marge Gillis
margegillis@yahoo.com

margegillis@ya…

Marge:

Very good news that you are making progress with your family research. Civil registration of deaths started in 1864. Most churches do not have death records, however, Cappataggle did retain the records  https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0328 ;  You will have to scan the death registers to see if you can locate a death record for Andrew or a possible record for his wife who likely died before 1821. If you find a death record, you can contact the church http://www.clonfertdiocese.ie/cappatagle-and-kilrickle ;  However, finding gravestones from the period prior to 1850 or earlier is difficult.

Roger 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

I found Sarah Tarpy  listed as a 23 year old in Ireland in the 1821 Irish Census!! She is with her father whose name is Andrew Tarpy. So now I have located my great great great grandfather in Ireland!!

There is one more person in the census record, James MCDonnell, an apprentice (Presumably to Andrew). Now I would like to know who Sarah's mother (an Andrew's wife) were. Since Andrew's wife  was not in the record I assume that she might be dead by 1821? Were there any other siblings of Sarah? More questions but I have made progress.

 

margegillis@ya…

Marge:

James McDonnell would have been an apprentice to Andrew Tarpy. Therr were no other Tarpys in the available 1821 census for Galway. Likely Andrew's wife was deceased and there were no other siblings to Sarah in the immediate area.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

 

Lisa, 

I do not think that your James Ryan is the same as mine because of all of my James Ryan's children, there was only one who had children and he was my grandfather William A Ryan. THe problem we have with Ryan ancestors is what a common name it is. James Ryan is one of the most common male names in Ireland.  All of that being said I love doing this research so I am happy to help you get started but I want to know that I am on the right track first. I always find that starting with what you know and working back is the best. 

So if I start with your grandfather tell me if this is his place of burial or not? Copy the link into your browser and take a look.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/138911673

If it is your gg granfather,  I think I found a 1930 census record with John Patrick Ryan and his wife Jenny and a lot of kids named, John, Arthur, Joseph, Lawrence, William, Paul and Jane.

Reply and let me know if this is the correct John P Ryan. If it is then the 1930 census has a question on it that asks where you were born, where your father was born and where your mother was born. For John the answer was that he was born in Pennsylvania, his father was born in Ireland and mother was born in Ireland. That would tell me that John Patrick Ryan's father James Ryan came to America and had John Patrick here. He may have come here and married here or he may have come here already married.

IF this is not your family then give me an idea of when John Patrick Ryan was born and was he bor in the US or Ireland? Do you know when he died? 

Feel free to send me an email instead to margegillis@yahoo.com

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Marge Gillis

 

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