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John Ryan and Sarah Torpeys children

GalwayKillallaghtan (Galway)

 

 

 

In. 2017 I asked some questions about my GG greatgrandparents, above and their children who came to Philadelphia from County Galway. Roger MCDonnell responded as follows:

You may have this information already but there were at least seven children for John  and Sarah: Joan 1825 Honora 1827 Mary 1830 Michael 1834 (died young?) Thomas 1840 Michael 1843  You can try the Loughrea register around 1837 to see if you can find James. http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0336

Have you considered autosomal DNA testing?

Roger McDonnell

My delayed response:

I did autosomal DNA testing and through that I found Honora Ryan married a Patrick Hussey in Ireland and they came to Philadelphia with their first child. I learned that Mary Ryan also came to Philadelphia on the same ship and married a James Mack in Phila. I found an 1850 immigration record that they all came to Philadelphia in 1850 with their father John listed a DEAD. The family lore has always been that John died before they came to the US nad now I see that he died aboard ship.

Still looking for Thomas Ryan 1840. I know it is a common name but does anyone out there know what happened to my Thomas Ryan?

It might be time for gedmatch upload?

Thanks for your help

Marge

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Marge:

Welcome back to Ireland Reaching Out!

Glad to hear that you are making progress with your family research. It is probably a longshot but you may want to look for Thomas Ryan civil marriage records at www.irishgenealogy.ie ; Search the Loughrea registration district. Maybe you will find a Thomas Ryan with father John (fathers names are on civil marriage records) in the area where they lived. 

Gedmatch is a very helpful data base. Once you have updated your data, there are two different Facebook groups which allow you to get Gedmatch matches with people who have a Galway connection. The first is a general group for Co. Galway which uses a Matchmaker tool https://www.facebook.com/groups/GalwayMatchmaker The second group focuses on East Galway and is run by one of our IRO volunteers, Martin Curley, and once you sign up there is an Ancestor project on the Gedmatch main page.https://www.facebook.com/groups/555977884943692

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

I just got an annual subscription to Rootsireland and I found another child of John Ryan and Sarah Torpey born 15 Apr 1825 and baptized 17 Apr 1825. This makes sense as John Ryan and Sarah Torpey were married in Feb 2824. The birth is listed in Loughrea District, County Galway.  rootsireland lists the child's name is listed as Joan Ryan. I am thinking that this might be a boy and the name in the record is in Latin, Joannes and not a female named Joan? What do you think? How can I figure this out? Even if I can't find the original record, with filia or filus to determine John or Joan, my gut is to say because it is 1825 it is likely John? What say you?

 I have a few more questions;

I see no way on rootsireland to read the actual record. Am I missing something and is there a way to look at the original image?

I went to the NLI website where the real images are viewable. I looked under Loughrea but there are no baptisma listed for 1825 for that district? Does that mean that rootsireland has access to more baptismal records than website of the National of Ireland? I always thought that the National Library of Ireland was the "owner, manager" and was maintaining these Chruch Records. I know that these RC baptismal records are available through Ancestry but I cannot find this record on Ancestry.  

I  am confused?  Your comments would be greatly appreciated. 

Thanks!

Marge

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Marge:

This link  https://registers.nli.ie/about ;  provides background on how the NLI microfilmed and later digitized parish registers up to 1880. The registers were sent to Dublin microfilmed returned to the parish. In some cases earlier registers were located by a parish and were not microfilmed by NLI.  These earlier registers were later transcribed by Roots Ireland. It appears Loughrea was one of those parishes. NLI microfilmed starting April 1827 but the parish later located an earlier register(s) which Roots Ireland transcribed. I think at this point, only the parish has the register. 

I agree that Joan was likely John  The Latin would be Joannes and the transcriber showed Joan instead of John.

Let me know if you have further questions.

Roger

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

 

Roger,

Thanks so much! I read the article on the NLI website that you pointed to above.  I guess I got my money's worth on my rootsireland subscription given that I found another family member! I had a feeling that given a RC marriage in 1824 that there was likely a child born before 1827. 

Thanks again!

Marge

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