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Visiting Ireland in October - Galway, Mayo, Kilkenny and Offaly. We need help with research, tips and local guides

Clifden (Galway)

The four of us are taking our mother to visit the places our ancestors came from. She has Irish roots on both sides of her tree, which makes our trip a bit complicated but exciting. We know about the places her paternal side came from. First, the Coynes/Conroys were from Gannoughs and Emlagh in County Galway. We know of one of the houses where they lived, but it would be nice to talk to someone local in each of the places while we are there.

Next, the Doyles/Lynskeys are from Lissanumera, Swineford, County Mayo. Again, we know about one of the houses that they came from.

On her maternal side, it gets a bit more fuzzy. Our ancestor John Ronan was born in 1827 and arrived in Pennsylvania around 1850. We have not managed to find any information about his origins. However, DNA testing shows a match for one of the descendants of Judith Ronan, born in 1811 in Ballysallagh in County Kilkenny. This is new information, so we have not figured out which family is the right one or how we might be connected.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/PCXD-MC5

It's a similar situation for the Bowen family from Moneygall, in County Offaly. There is some confusion about which family. Our ancestor is Bridget Bowen, born between 1827 and 1832. The DNA testing shows matches from Bridget's sister Elizabeth's descendants. The problem is that Bridget Bowen, born in 1827 to Roger Bowen and Eliza Ryan, married Michael Kennedy, and their descendants left for Australia in the 1850s. https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/L4KN-2TX

Finally, we would love to find out where our Scollins ancestors came from. This has been our brick wall. Michael Scollins was born in England around 1850-1855 to Irish parents Michael Scollins and Honora Kinnie. We think they were born around 1815. Michael died before 1880. Honora died in Houtzdale, Pennsylvannia in 1887. We only know that they were both born in Ireland.

https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/portrait/LTJL-NNB

We are looking for research help on the maternal side, volunteers to meet us in the places we know about, and tips on what to see for our first visit to Ireland. We plan to stay for 10-14 days.

Family Searcher

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Family Searcher:

Here is a link to our Meet and Greet submission form. https://irelandxo.com/meet-and-greet You have to complete one form for each area. The civil parish is needed. The civil parish for the Clifden area would be Omey and the civil parish for Lissanumera is Kilconduff. I'm not sure of the availability of volunteers but our Meet and Greet coordinator will let you know.

More work is needed for your Ronan and Bowen connections. I will note that the Griffiths Valuation survey around 1850 showed a Michael Bowen in the town of Moneygall. Not sure if there is a connection.

Regarding Michael Scollins, I looked at the Griffiths Valuation records There are variant spellings. Scollan/Scollen/Scollin comes from the Leitrim/Fermanagh area. Scullion is an Antrim/Derry surname. I did not see any Scollins records.

Roger McDonnell

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi,

Have you requested marriage and death records from the State of Pennsylvania for Bridget Bowan and John Ronan? Sometimes they include parents' names and birth locations. Have you requested a death record for Honora Kinnie Scollen?

For volunteers that aren't registered with FamilySearch Michael Scollen had a sister Margaret born in Ireland about 1844.She married Peter Rogers about 1868 and had a son Frank in about 1869. They came to America in 1870.

I found an article on Ancestry that mentioned that Michael was born in England, that the family went back to Ireland before heading to America. I will try to find again.

Regards- Mary

mtvrdk@gmail.com

Hi Roger McDonnell,

Thanks for the Meet and Greet Submission Form. I will complete those and send them in.

As for the Bowens in Moneygall, I have seen Michael Bowen in Moneygall and am currently building trees to see how we might connect there. The DNA match from Elizabeth tracks back to Roderick Bowen and Eliza Ryan in Ballyrehy and Barna, which aren't that far from Moneygall.

I think that Bridget Bowen came to New York in 1853. The ship manifest doesn't list her town or County but I'd like to know if there are any other records in Ireland for people who left? For instance, at the town hall or church records?

I've seen many different spellings for the Scollins name. However, it is helpful to know which areas to focus on. I'm going to look again at DNA matches from both of the areas that you suggested.

Regards,

Ann

Family Searcher

Scullion (and variants) and Kinney are both found in Co Derry and nearby, so that couple may come from that general area. Scollins is very rare in Ireland (only 13 in the 1901 census) but Scullion is much more common. Likely the name has got changed over the years. Kinnie is unknown in 1901 but Kinney very common.

I looked for a birth for a Michael Scollins or similar in England 1850-1855. There is one Michael Scolin in Stockport, Cheshire in Jul - Sept 1852 Volume 8a, page 34. However the mother’s maiden name is showing as Caton, so may not be the right family. Looked for Michael and Honore/Nora in the English 1851 census but did not find them. There is a Michael Scollin aged 26 in the 1851 Scottish census, working as a miner in New Monkland, Lanarkshire (Bell St, Hamilton I think). He was lodging with a Conlan family. Looks to have been single. Tens of thousands of people went from Ulster to Lanarkshire to work in the mines and related industries, so it would not be unusual to find him there.

Can’t see a marriage for Michael & Honora in Ireland, Scotland or England.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Mary,

Thanks for your suggestions. I have sent inquiries to the relevant counties in Pennsylvania and am waiting for replies.

I think this is the article you found?

http://files.usgwarchives.net/pa/clearfield/bios/scollins-john-j.txt

JOHN JOSEPH SCOLLINS, Justice of the Peace, at Houtzdale, Pa., is one of the

best known of the younger generation of business men in the Borough. He was

born at Houtzdale, May 12, 1885, and is a son of Michael and Alicia (Ronan)

Scollins.

Michael Scollins, his father, was born in England but was reared in Ireland

and came from there to America at an early age. He lived at Tioga County, prior

to coming to Houtzdale in the early 80's. He followed mining as an occupation,

and for a time conducted a licensed restaurant and the Woodward Hotel at

Houtzdale, retiring from this business in 1899. He then went to Pittsburgh and

worked for some years in the employ of the Carnegie Steel Company. He returned

to Houtzdale, where he died in 1905. He married Alicia Ronan, who was born in

Huntingdon County. Her father, John Ronan, was a miner and a man of

considerable prominence at Dudley, where he served on the School Board, and as

its secretary, for thirty years. Mrs. Scollins still survives. Seven children

were born to Michael Scollins and his wife, namely: Nora, who is the wife of

Charles W. Pie, of Somerset, Pa.; Margaret, who died in infancy; John; Agnes;

Mary, who died at the age of twelve years; Paul and Catherine.

John Scollins received his primary education in the parochial school at

Houtzdale and in 1903 graduated from the Houtzdale High School. While a student

at the High School he was appointed to the office of Town Clerk, which position

he held continuously until 1909, when he resigned to assume the duties of his

present office. Upon graduation, he became connected with the law offices of W.

H. Patterson and J. A. Gleason, took the necessary examination and secured a

teacher's certificate, following which he taught one term at the Beaverton

School in Decatur Township, and was then elected to teach the Moshannon School

at Osceola. He was crippled in infancy and about this time, owing to his active

life, his injury developed to an extent that caused the loss of a leg, in 1904.

In the meantime he opened a fire insurance agency, which he still conducts in

conjunction with his other work. He is recognized as a young man of more than

the usual amount of ability, while his personality is such that he has hosts of

friends. He succeeded to the office of Justice of the Peace by appointment of

Governor Stuart; and is now serving a full term having been elected to this

office on the Democratic ticket. He is deeply interested in educational

affairs; was one of the organizers of the Alumni Association of the Houtzdale

High School, and its secretary since organization; is a member of the Roman

Catholic Church, and is identified with the Knights of Columbus.

Regards,

Ann

Family Searcher

Hello Elwyn,

Thanks for your message and investigations. 

I will go back to our DNA matches with this information in mind to see if I can find a more precise location in County Derry. 

Regards,

Ann

Family Searcher

Ann,

Yes, that was the article. I think we were sending about the same time.

mtvrdk@gmail.com

Ann.

Places you might want to check out along the way.

Kylemore Abbey - Wikipedia in Galway

In 2019 Swinford had its 250 anniversary. They put together a booklet. You might want to contact the local government to see if books are still available.

Mellett's Emporium | Swinford | Facebook They have been around for 228 years. They might be able to help.

I don't know what denomination you are but Our Lady Help of Christian Church (Catholic), built in 1891 has beautiful stained-glass windows. Previously the Catholic Church was called the Barn Chapel which was built on land leased from the Brabazon family. Barn Chapel was a long, narrow, plain building with a thatched roof. It no longer exists because the new Church was built on the same site.

There are bogs in the area so artifacts have been found. Also because of the bogs early on children brought bricks of peat to school to warm the classrooms.

Unique bar has grocery store in front. Interesting to see.

Padraic Horkan's Grocer's & Lounge Bar © Pamela Norrington cc-by-sa/2.0 :: Geograph Ireland

The North Mayo Heritage Centre: Where Heritage Meets Nature

Horkans Castlebar

About Knock Shrine | Knock Shrine

Kilconduff Cemetery in Swinford, County Mayo - Find a Grave Cemetery

Trim Castle and Newgrange if you are in the area are worth stopping at.

Barack Obama Plaza - Wikipedia in Moneygall

Regards- Mary

mtvrdk@gmail.com

Not sure how much info you already have about Lissanumera, but I also have family from near that townland, so I can share some info which might be of interest.

At this link you can see more info about the townland itself, including links to other sites and an interactive map letting you move around to see what's nearby:

https://www.townlands.ie/mayo/gallen/kilconduff/brackloon/lissanumera/

If you use the link at the bottom of that page for Griffith's Valuation (mid-1800's), you can see that there was just one Doyle tenant listed, and one Lynskey, so there are good odds that they are your ancestors (or at least relatives, if your own ancestors had emigrated before then). If you follow the link to the 1901 census, you can see that there was still just one Lynskey family there then, and one Doyle family. The map shows Lissanumera as about halfway between Swinford and Bohola. My relatives (including some distant Lynskey ones) lived more towards Bohola.

If you'd like to research the parish registers for Kilconduff/Swineford (slight variation from the spelling of the town name), you can view them online (and download any pages of interest) at this link (the registers go back as far as 1808, with some gaps):

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0133

One thing to keep in mind when searching birth records from 1864 on (when civil records for Catholics began) is that Swinford was the local registration district, covering not only the parish of Kilconduff/Swineford, but also some surrounding parishes, so a person listed as being born in Swinford was not necessarily born in the town itself, or even in Swineford parish (often, the record will also mention the relevant townland).

In Irish, the townland name is Lios an Iomaire. A lios is an enclosed ring or area, often referring to what is known as a "fairy fort" (but which was probably just a walled homestead at some point in the past), and an iomaire is a ridge in a plowed field. The surnames Lynskey/Lynsky/Lenskey are all anglicizations of the Irish surname Ó Loinscigh, found principally in Mayo and Galway. The name is sometimes found in older parish registers as “Lynsk” or “Lensk”. The families in the area would have been entirely Irish-speaking in the mid-1800’s (and most were still speaking it as late as the early 1900's, as were my relatives), but most did not know how to write Irish (they were taught to read and write English in school, where Irish was not usually allowed). As pronounced in Irish, the name could be misheard by an English-speaker as something like “Lenshky” or “Lenshk”, and even the priest who made the register entry may have been unsure how to spell it. In later years, it settled down in most cases as Lynskey or Lynsky, which can be seen in later register entries. There is another surname, Ó Loingsigh, used by several different families in other parts of Ireland, which is believed to be related, but which was usually anglicized as Lynch or Linchy. Ó Loinscigh was also sometimes anglicized as Lynch, but the Lynskey form is much more common in Mayo.

In case you're interested, there's a web site in Ireland which can be helpful to people who have identified a particular parish as relevant to their family history. In the 1930’s, Irish schoolchildren were sent out on class projects where they interviewed mostly older people in their parish about the history and customs of the area. Some of the interviews were conducted in English and some in Irish. Over 250,000 interviews were conducted and they are available online at the Irish National Folklore Collection Project’s site:

https://www.duchas.ie/en

The content of the interviews varied from place to place, but they can cover local history, local place names, people known to the person being interviewed, local myths and superstitions, and other customs, such as how holidays or weddings were celebrated and even on what day of the week people customarily did their washing or baked bread. It’s said to be the largest national folklore collection in the world, and the interviews can be fascinating. The National Folklore Collection Project also has folklore podcasts (“Blúiríní Béaloidis” or “Folklore Fragments”) which one can listen to (in English and Irish) at this site:

https://soundcloud.com/folklore_podcast

kevin45sf@yahoo.com

Mary,

Your tips are wonderful. There is something for everyone, which is what we need. 

Thank you!

Ann

Family Searcher

kevin45sfl

Thanks for the detailed information on Lissanumera and the area. 

I've seen the Griffiths Valuations before, but it was before I knew that the Lynskeys were part of our family. It makes sense, though, because they lived right next to each other! You are correct, both of the households are our ancestors. I'll have to look again at the registers with a new perspective. 

It's fascinating to hear how the Lynskey name would have been pronounced. 

Also, the school children's interviews from the 1930's are very sweet. 

Ann

Family Searcher

Ann,

As you probably are aware of on Ancestry many of the trees place John Ronan's birth in Galway.

NameJohn Roonane
Baptism Age0
Event TypeBaptism
Birth Date1829
Baptism Date28 May 1829
Baptism PlaceCastlegar, Galway, Ireland
Parish VariantsCarrabrown
DioceseGalway
FatherGill Roonane
MotherBiddy Hanly

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I found one which suggested. This son must have died because they christened another son John in 1829, record found on RootsIreland. This son went to Australia.

NameJohn Ronane
Baptism Age0
Event TypeBaptism
Birth Date1827
Baptism Date4 Mar 1827
Baptism PlaceSt John's, Kilkenny city, Kilkenny, Ireland
Parish VariantsSt. Johns, Kilkenny City
DioceseOssory
FatherMichl Ronane
MotherCathe Burke

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NameJno Ronan
Death Age83
Birth Dateabt 1825[abt 1825]
Death DateAbt 1908
Death PlaceBeechworth, Victoria
Registration Date1908
Registration PlaceAustralia
FatherRonan Mich
MotherCath Burke
Registration Number8516

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Other children, besides those you have on your tree, of John Ronan and Catherine Butler I found on RootsIreland, John was not listed- Thomas 1803, Bridget 1808, Patrick 1817. One of the sponsors' names was Michael Ronan.

St. John's, Kilkenny city, Ossory - Catholic Parish Registers at the NLI

Regards- Mary

mtvrdk@gmail.com

Hi Mary,

Yes, I've seen the records for Gill Roonane and Biddy Hanly. They have been ruled out because their John moved to Maryland and was living in Baltimore in 1862.

Michael Ronan and Cathe Burke's son John born in 1827 must have died and they named the second son John in 1829. He must have been the one that left for Australia in 1853.

However, there is a DNA match for a family with ancestors in Kilkenny. They are leading back to Michael Barrett (1791-1866) and Judith Ronan (1811-). Her parents are John Ronan and Catherine Butler. I was hoping to find a John Ronan born to them but it seems that their last child was born in 1822 as you noticed. I still haven't found how Judith could be connected to our family. I'm still digging. Perhaps there is another brother to Michael and John and Judith is a cousin?

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