Kinnamore family

Hello, Maggie and welcome.

Civil registrations of births, deaths and Catholic marriages began in 1864. Civil registrations of marriages other than in a Catholic church began in 1845.  Do you know the religious denomination of the Kinnamore family? 

Irish Genealogy.ie is the official government website for finding BMD registrations.  https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en

It's free to use. You simply sign in, tick the box and solve a catchpa. 

There was a death registration of a Thomas Kinnamore, aged 75 in Loughrea Superintendent Registrar's District in 1865. The register page is not yet open to view on the site so if you think this person might have been your GGF you either need to order a photocopy or the certificate or wait until images of that register come online. Athenry is in Loughrea district.

Death registration for a Bridget Kinnamore, widow, aged 84, in Loughrea District in 1880. This page of the register is visible. Bridget died at the Union hospital, Loughrea. (Union was the Poor Law Union. The hospital was part of the workhouse.) Informant was a member of workhouse staff. Bridget's age may have been an estimation, as might Thomas' age. Occupation column says "labourer"; I don't know if it meant Bridget was a labourer or that she was widow of a labourer.

There were 2 other Kinnamore entries for death registratons in Loughrea District between 1864-1901. They were both in 1865 and were for Selia and Lelia, both aged 74.  Images not viewable. One may be an amended entry, so possibly only 1 person. 

I don't see any other births, marriages or deaths for Kinnamore during that period. There may have been alternative spellings. Districts adjacent to Loughrea are Tuam, Mountbellew, Balinasloe, Portumna, Scarriff, Gort and Galway. 

Some R.C. parish registers for Athenry are on National Library of Ireland website. https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0103   

It has marriages 1821-9  & 1858-78 and baptisms 1858-78, so too late for baptisms of the people you named. Follow links at foot of the page for possible locations of other registers for the parish. A marriage usually happened in the bride's parish. The map on Athenry parish page shows nearby parishes.

A Mary Kinnamore was baptised in New Inn parish, Diocese of Clonfert, County Galway 9th Sept. 1834. She was illegitimate daughter of a Thomas Kinamore and Mary Hart.  A John Kinamore married in the parish in Feb. 1835 to Bridget Healy. New Inn parish was next-but-one parish to Athenry. It's adjacent to Loughrea parish. 

Griffiths' Valuation (1850s) has 3 Kinnamore entries for Galway, all called John. Griffiths lists only property holders. www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation

A useful guide to Irish family history is Irish Genealogy Toolkit  http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com

 

Hi Maggie,

Thank you for the welcome, this is the first time I have used message board. I hope someone can break my biggest brick wall down.

Maggie I have at one time or other been to all the sites you have mention and found very little on the Kinnamores it is like they didn't exist.

  I have all the same information you have above. It has been hard going looking for tthe family and I feel like I'm hitting brick walls all the time. But I won't give up!

I have used the different spellings of the surname where ever I do a search...but is there an Irish alternative surname?

I have Bridget's info from the work house and all the Kinnamore's mention from the New Inn Parish. But  I haven't enough info on them to say they are related. I have kept any information I have found on any of the Kinnamore names I have found in and around Athenry.

I knew of the bride marrying in her own parish and I also believe when they died they are buried in the family's plot in their parish church yard. I have no idea what Parish Bridget Barrett came from. Would her children also been baptised in her parish rather than her husbands?

 I wasn't aware of the Athenry being in the Lougdea district...so yes maybe Thomas and Bridget are their parents and the Kinnamores in New Inn Parish are all related.

Bridget born 1796, Thomas born 1790 Michael and siblings were born early 1840s ???

The other districts I will look into. I might get lucky!

On Findmypast I did find a Thomas, Bridget, Michael and Malachi in Petty Courts in relationships with straying farm animals at a place called Park near Athenry....would this be farmlands or is Park a village? But I haven't been able to comfirmed that this is the family I'm looking for. (no ages were given, nothing saying son of etc.)

Is Kinnamore an Irish name? 

 Maggie thank you for your help.

Maggie.

 

Hi Maggie

Thomas Kinnamore's death registration notes he was a Butcher in Athenry. Cross Steet, Athenry on other records. His Grandson Patrick Daly was present at his death.

I have spent a while looking at records for the area to find the link to his daughter who married Daly, no luck so far.

Regards

Park is the name of a townland in Athenry civil parish, Athenry barony, Loughrea Union.  A townland is the smallest division of land in Ireland. Townlands vary in size and population. Some people in some townlands were related to each other. The Irish word pairc means field. (Athenry's fields are imortalised in song.)   Sources for identifying and locating townlands:

https://www.swilson.info/index.php ; This website is also useful for identifying registration districts and parishes and finding R.C. and C.of I. parishes + other things. 

The IreAtlas Townland DataBase https://thecore.com/seanruad  

https://www.townlands.ie ; The map on this site shows Park to be north- west of Athenry town. Cullairbaun townland is between Park and Athenry.

To find Park townland in Griffith's Valuation  www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation    select "Griffiths Places", put Park in search box, select Galway from list of counties and Athenry from list of civil parishes. Resulting list of townlands includes any containing "park" but there is only one Park. There were 10 holdings in Park townland comprising 554 acres. There were 7 houses, some "offices" (perhaps farm buildings) and a cottier's house. James Perry was the immediate lessor. He kept approximately half the land for himself and rented out the rest of the land, houses and buildings. Perry was also the main lessor of the next townland, Cullairbaun. The railway station and R.C. chapel were sited there. One of the few tenants of Perry in Cullairbaun was Joseph Barrett, who rented some land.  The railway station would have been only a few years old at that time. If Thomas KInnamore was a stone mason, he may have worked on building the station and the railway. 

There were several Barrett entries in Griffith's Valuation in Athenry town. The Petty Sessions House and the police barracks were in Cross Street. 

One of the townlands in Athenry parish which came up on Griffith's Valuation because it contained "park" in the name was Barrettspark. It's west of Athenry town. 250 acres, 3 holdings and only 1 house on Griffith's. Fetching up the modern map shows a quarry on part of it. I wonder if there was a quarry then and if Thomas Kinnemore worked there or got stone from it. Adjacent townland is Carnmore. Considering variants of Kinamore, could it have derived from Carnmore?   (Only a suggestion.)  There is a blob at the edge of Carnmore, next to Barrettspark, on the Griffith map which might be a quarry. 

There was a custom for a woman to return to her own parish to have her first baby. I suppose it was so she could have her own female relatives with her. I don't know how common it was. 

Ages stated on death registrations of old people could be very wrong, especially if the person registering the death wasn't a close relative. One of my relatives was officially 74 at death yet she'd been nearly 60 on a census 30 years previously. A lot of elderly Irish people found out they weren't the age they thought they were when Old Age Pensions were introduced in 1909 and they had to produce proof of age. 

 

 

Gerard, I have been away at our Family History conference and I was so pleased to see your reply on my return.

I also found Thomas Kinnamore the butcher in Petty Courts (Findmypast) around the time my Kinnamores from Park appeared at Court. Unfortunately, they both had different addresses so I ruled the butcher out. Also, the butcher's daughter was also mentioned in the courts and her name was Bridget living in Athenry and had mentioned her father was the towns butcher. So, this Thomas must be the one from Loughrea workhouse. I must say, I'm a little disappointed.
Thomas Kinnamore the butcher was also mentioned in the Athenry Directory. I must have not listed what year the directory was. Sorry. There was an article on Athenry once in a paper which I found which also mentions occupations in Atnenry for 1865. Thomas the butcher was listed.

I had also collected other Kinnamore's who were married and also baptisms from the area but I haven't come across a Daley marrying a Kinnamore.

Maybe all the Kinnamores in the Athenry were all kin. Which is a possibility? I just can not connect anyone to each other. If only there were more births deaths and marriages with heaps of information on them.

There were another two Kinnamores I had read about, who were involved in the uprising of 1798, they were both caught and were lucky they weren't hung as others were.

I'm most gatefull with your help Gerard, I have had come to this brick wall ages ago and not been able to break it down.

Both Michael and Malachi must have had some education as they both were able to read and write, and looking at documents I have they both had lovely hand writing. I'm not sure with Mary if she had any education. Perhaps not.

Thank you again, Gerard for your help

Maggie

Hi Maggie May,
The information that you have sent is great Maggie, I will search and look at these sites today. Thanks again for your wonderful knowledge. I did revise the webpages you had sent in your previous email. 

I have used variants such as Kinnamore, Kinamore, Kinmore, Kennamore Kennemore, Kenmore, Kinnimore, Kinmore, Kennymore, Kinnymore and dropping the end e and others. I will have a look at Carnmore. Maybe changing the k to c might help with the k variants?

Mind you, when Malachi arrived here they dropped the Kinnamore altogether and were using variants of Gilmore as their surname. That may be another story? Not sure why they did this.

The certificates od deaths and marriages do say their father's occupation was a Stonemason, but Michael became a farmer here in NSW on a Conditional Purchase Land (Crown Land) and Malachi was also working on Michael's farm before going to Sydney. Mary also married a local farmer. 
This was one of the reasons I thought the Kinnamores at "Park" was the same family.

When Michael was clearing his property he was gathering the stones and rocks and making dried stone fences. These still remain today on the property. He excelled in farming and did very well for himself. Michael and other Irishmen in the area became pioneer farmers and were noted for growing potatoes.

It sounds like Thomas may have worked in the quarries around Cranmore as a stonemason. It is also interesting with the Barretts in the area. I have tried looking for Barrett marriages in the area and haven't come up with anything, but I do now know to look in the joining parishes.

I read somewhere if they remember the great storm of 1838 they were of pension age.

Thank you Maggie May for your help. I will let you know if I find anything more on the sites you have given me

kind regards

Maggie

 

 

Hi Maggie May,

I have found and uploaded a file/certificate of death at Athenry of Thomas Kenamore that I have found and the informant is a William Barrett present at his death. This could be the same Thomas I'm looking for. William may be related through marriage. What do you think?

Hopefully, I have found him.

Maggie.

Hi! 

I am a Kinnamore and I have never bend able to find much on any of the Kinnamore’s either I took an ancestry DNA test but it didn’t bring up much I have always been really extremely interested in knowing about the Kinnamore’s