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Mary (Maria) McCaffrey and Eliza McCaffrey, Lisnaskea workhouse

Fermanagh

Hi

I'm trying to find records and history for my great grandmother who is recorded around London, England in the 1900s as Norah Elizabeth McCaffrey but who I believe was born as Eliza McCaffrey to mother Mary (or Maria) McCaffrey in the Lisnaskea Workhouse in December 1877 (birth and baptism records from parish records for Agalucher). On her baptism her father is given as George (?) Francis and there is a James McCaffrey as witness but I can't find a marriage record for George and Mary/Maria. Nor can I find any further reference to Mary and Eliza but I do know that my Great Grandmother at some point moved to London and appears on the 1911 census as Norah Elizabeth Wright with a birth place as Lisnaskia. At this point she is living as a housekeeper with two children who I believe are fathered by the head of the house Charles Main Moir

Any pointers would be welcome please!

Jo

TheDr44

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TheDr44,

The 1877 birth certificate has the mother’s maiden name deleted and there’s no father’s name. That indicates the birth was illegitimate. So that will explain why you can’t find any marriage for the parents. There wasn’t one, at least not by 1877.

If they have survived, you might get a little more information about Eliza from Lisnaskea Workhouse admission records which, if they still exist, will be in PRONI (the public record office)in Belfast. Personal visit required to view them.

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/Lisnaskea/

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn

Thank you for the information. I'm afraid I live in York so a visit to Belfast won't be possible any time soon! I'm curious though that the baptism record does give a name for the father (Entry 2nd from top on right hand page? Or is that likely to be inaccurate? And would there be any other way to trace Mary/Maria McCaffrey prior to 1877?

Thanks

Jo

TheDr44

TheDr44,

With birth registration, where the parents are married, there’s a presumption of legitimacy and so the husband’s name is routinely recorded (even if he was not the father). However with an illegitimate birth, only the mother’s name will appear unless the father attends the registration and confirms paternity. (Otherwise the mother might name anyone, with all the trouble that might cause). No scope for speculation on a birth certificate. Hard facts only.

Baptisms of illegitimate children are slightly different. If the father attends, his name will be recorded. If he doesn’t the Priest/Minister sometimes asks who he was and records that. Often with “allegedly” or “reputed” attached to his name. That looks to be what happened in this case.

Without a townland (address) I couldn’t suggest how you might find Mary/Maria’s family. Her townland could be in the workhouse admission records, unless she was living rough in which case you tend to get “Union at Large” as the address.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Elwyn

Since Mary is recorded as being ill in the Workhouse on the baptism register, I am wondering if it is her father (James McCaffrey) who got Elizabeth baptised as his name appears below the registrar's- Would it be likely that Mary could have given birth in the workhouse without being a resident? Also do you know how many witnesses were normally present at a baptism - J. Cullinan seems to have been the registrar but there is also a Maria McManus named - Is she likely to be a relative?

TheDr44

TheDr44,

Yes you could go to the workhouse infirmary without being a resident. That wasn’t the intention when the workhouse system was first set up but as time progressed people often went there for medical treatment. The workhouse infirmary was free at a time when most medical treatment had to be paid for. 

The admission records should show whether she was already an inmate or whether she went straight to the infirmary on admission.

Two sponsors are required for a Catholic child baptism. (None required for an adult baptism). Should be Catholics themselves and connected to the mother in some way, so as to be able to ensure the child was brought up in the faith. Maria McManus could certainly be a relative or close family friend.

Did Mary marry in England? If so, you should be able to get her father’s name and occupation from the civil marriage certificate. And the Catholic church record may show her mother’s name too.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

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