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Assistance finding Janette/Jeanette TRIMBLE

FermanaghAghalurcher (Fermanagh)

Janette TRIMBLE (born c. 1805) died on board 'Manlius' of plague in sight of her new home in Port Phillip, Australia in 1842. I have just recently been able to confirm her maiden name as TRIMBLE so am trying to locate her parents/siblings. She married Robert SCOTT c. 1825 and ships manifest indicates County Tyrone. However after the death of both parents of plague aboard ship, a letter from the Col. Secretary indicates their children Jane Ann, Margaret (twins born c.1828), Robert born c. 1830, Eliza born c. 1832, Henry born c.1834 were born Cooneen Townland, Fermanagh. Does anyone have any information or suggestions about how to proceed further from here?

regards

Barbra

bmckenz

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Cooneen is in the parish of Aghalurcher. The 1821 census for that parish has mostly survived but unfortunately the townland of Cooneen is not listed and there are no Trimble or Scott households in the parish.

The 1833 tithes for Cooneen list a Robert and George Scott as both being in that townland. Both would have had land to be listed in the tithes so were presumably farmers. So that provides some confirmation of the Scott family living in Cooneen.

http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/fermanagh/tithe-applotment-books/parish-of-aghalurcher.php#.Wu1NJRR9eg0

Griffiths Valuation for 1862 does not list any Scott households in Cooneen indicating both families had left by that time.

Next step is probably to search church records for your ancestor. You haven’t said what denomination she was, but judging by the 1901 census for the county the majority of Trimbles were Church of Ireland plus a few Presbyterian.

There are 6 Church of Ireland churches in the parish (Aghalurcher, Cooneen, Lisnaskea, Kiltermon, Fivemiletown & Maguiresbridge). However some only opened in the 1800s. The only ones with records for the period you are interested in are Aghalurcher whose records start in 1788 (Baptisms) and 1801 for burials and marriages. Lisnaskea start in 1804 (baptisms, marriages and burials). Copies of both sets are held in PRONI (the public record office) in Belfast. A personal visit is required to view them. (The records don’t appear to be on-line anywhere).

Nearest Presbyterian church is Cavanaleck but they have no records earlier than 1853.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Elwyn

Thanks for the reply. I'm guessing demonimation for Jane TRIMBLE (as prot. is listed on embarkation list). However each of her children in Australia were later married in Presbyterian churches. Not sure if that is because this is as close as they could get to Church of Ireland- or if they were in fact Presbyterian.

I have DNA matches with TRIMBLE via a John TRIMBLE 1769-1867 M- Mary (1775-1857) in Fermanagh (but no townland listed) and then his son William TRIMBLE (1798-1878) from Derrycullion Townland who married Sarah BAKHAM/BEACOM. I have previously contacted the current minister of Aghalurcher parish when I was searching there for the SCOTT siblings- without success. Problems of distance of course make this challenging, but will try and reconnect with him to see what TRIMBLE records he holds.

I have no idea how far Cooneen townland is from Derrycullion Townland- and have had no success when searching for this. Do you have any idea in terms of this?

Appreciate your assistance

regards

Barbra

bmckenz

Barbra,

Regarding the likely denomination, statistically I would go for Church of Ireland. (Church of Ireland is Anglican/Episcopalian). Your Trimble & Scott ancestors were both probably descendants of Scots who settled in the area in the 1600s as part of the Plantation. But whereas in most other parts of Ireland, the predominant Scots settler denomination was Presbyterianism (that being the main denomination in Scotland), in Fermanagh the majority became Church of Ireland. Possibly because many in that county came from the Scottish borders where they weren’t particularly religious and so weren’t strict adherents to Presbyterianism like their compatriots. Whatever the reason, Church of Ireland is a much more common denomination amongst plantation descendants in Fermanagh than Presbyterian. But if they were Presbyterian, then sadly there are probably no church records for the period you need.

Cooneen is about 2 miles south of Fivemiletown, and is about three quarters of a mile mile east of Derrycullion.  There’s just 1 townland between the 2. So very close together.

Elwyn, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Elwyn

 

Thanks for the information this is very helpful to provide context regardinh both religion and the general area.

regards

Barbra

bmckenz

Further to the previous replies related to my original post.

I have now determined that the Trimbles at least were UlsterScots and sharefarmers for Lord Brookes at Carrickapolin. Another descendant has traced her Trimble ancestral records at St Ronan's Church Brookeborough, so may try and contact this parish to see what I can find. I've had Janette's date of birth proposed by others as August 1802- with information as to parents as previously indicated (John TRIMBLE 1769-1867 M- Mary ? (1775-1857), but no confirmation of this via the records as yet. Thanks very much for your interest and information it is much appreciated.

regards

Barbra

 

 

bmckenz
Dear Barbra, I believe my GGGG Grandfather was John Trimble (abt 1769-12 Jun 1867) through his son John (c.1803-1866) and Elizabeth (Bessie) (abt 1809-13 Apr 1876). I believe this second John was listed on the Griffiths Valuation for Carrickpolin as 'John Trimble Jnr (Billy)'. I can give more details if this is of any interest to you. There are number of Trimble descendants from Carrickpolin here in Victoria who hold an annual reunion. Regards, Carol
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