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Charles and William Cosgrave

DublinRathfarnham (Dublin)

I'm looking for more information on my cosgrave ancestors from Dublin.

My Great-grandfather Valentine Cosgrave (born 1892) to Charles Cosgrave (born 1830)and EllenO'Neill (Born 1851).

He married Roseanna Cosgrave (Born 1900), daughter of James Cosgrave (born 1866) and Mary Taafe (Born 1868).

The family story is that Valentine and Roseanna needed a Papal Dispensation to get married becasue they were second cousins. My theory is that Valentine's father, Charles (born 1830) and Roseanna's grandfather William Cosgrave(Born 1836) were brothers.

I've hit a wall in my online research and was hoping to get some guidance here. I have no clue how to research papal dispensations (if that's even possible), and I have never had contact with any of my Cosgrave family in Ireland... I wouldn't even know who they are, as my grandfather was an only child and died before i was born. I only have secondhand stories from my dad, and no family mementos.

Here is the info I have on the two (suspected) brothers.

Charles, born 1830 in Dublin, died in May1901 in Dublin, and was a dairy farmer.

William Cosgrave was born in 1836 and died Dublin in 1888. He married Jane Clarke in 1861 in Dublin. They had a son, James, in 1866, who was a carpenter.

Thanks!I'm planning to come to Ireland in 2016 to visit, and would love to know more about my family so I can visit places they may have lived, or meet distant cousins!

-Jillian

dramabug

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Jillian:

I'm no expert on papal dispensations but did find this article which indicates that dispensations likely were approved at the diocese level.  http://catholicexchange.com/can-cousins-marry-in-the-church

I did find the 1901 and 1911 and your great-grandfather came from a very large family. Val was not with the family in 1911 and I could not locate him in Co. Dublin.

I will look for any information on William and Charles.

I also looked at the online Irish phonebook http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/   There is a Cosgrave business in Rathfarnham. You may want to contact them. Possibly there is a connection.

Roger McDonnell

 

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathfarnham/Whi…

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathfarnham/Whi…

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

Jillian:

Roots Ireland www.rootsireland.ie has two baptismal records which may help you. The records are in the Booterstown/Blackrock and Dundrum RC records in Dublin South. There is an 1830 baptismal record for a Charles Cosgrave and an 1835 baptismal record for a William Cosgrave. Roots is a pay site to view the transcription of the church records. Presumably the records will show the names of the parents. I also located the 1870 civil marriage index record for Charles and Ellen. A copy of this record costs around 4 euros from the General Register Office. The record should show the names of the fathers of the bride and groom and where the bride and groom were living in 1870. If you plan to get a copy let me know and I will forward instructions.

Roger

First name(s) Charles
Last name Cosgrave
Registration District Dublin South
Registration year 1870
Registered Quarter/Year 1870
Volume 2
Page 791
County -
 

MarriageFinder?

 Charles Cosgrave married one of these people
Ellen Neille, Mary Donovan, Margaret Harrison, Ellen Campbell
Record set Irish Marriages 1845-1958
Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

What great information!!! Thank you so much!

 

I had found SO much info with the census, but since it doesn't list maiden names or parents I stalled out. I evntually found Valentine in 1911 by searching for his older brother James... they mis-spelled his name as Valetine.

where did you look up the marriage information? Was that also on www.rootsireland.ie? 

I've been finding marriage searches tricky because the online listings often only include the name of the bride, or the groom, but not both!!

I would LOVE instructions on how to get a marriage certificate. If it's really only 4 euros, I would order ones for all my great-grandparents (which is about where my resarch stops - having parent names would be incredible!)

Thanks again for all your assistance - I really appreciate it!

-Jillian

 

 

dramabug

Jillian:

I use www.findmypast.ie for civil registration index records. I pay an annual fee for access. For marriages they do show the possible spouses on the record. So when I searched for Charles Cosgrave I found the 1870 record with four possible spouses including Ellen Neille. 

Roots Ireland does have the civil records so you may want check and see if they have this marriage. 

Also, just today www.irishgenealogy.ie  has started updating the civil indexes for free. This is an Irish government site.

Here are the instructions for ordering a copy from the General Register Office.

Roger

Go to this link http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Apply-for-Certificates.aspx In the middle of the page there are links for birth, marriage or death certificates. Hit the link for the form you want. You will likely get a screen asking for a User Name and Password. (This is a program bug that the GRO has to correct). Hit cancel and the appropriate form should come up. Print the form and complete the requested information. Also provide the information from the index record--quarter/year of the event, registration district and the volume and page number where the event is recorded. Make sure you ask for a copy which costs around 4 euros. ( A cert costs closer to 20 euros). You can also ask the GRO to e-mail the copy back to you.

 

Castlemore RoscommonIrelandXO Volunteer

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