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Peter Murphy and family

DublinMonkstown (Dublin)

Looking for family of Peter Murphy born Kingstown in 1834. Joined 99th Foot in Liverpool 1854. Married Ellen Hegarty, in Cork 1857. According to marriage certificate his father was Michael Murphy.

Much of his time in the army was spent in India so some of his children were born there. His eldest daughter Ellen married in India (b1863) age 14 years to Edward Mckenna (b1853) Edward was in the 62nd Regiment of Foot. Edward and Ellen were last known in South Africa in 1918.

Peter's eldest son Michael was born in Cork 1860, he joined his father's regiment now known as The Dorset Regiment, in India as a boy soldier. Michael was discharged in Londonderry in 1902 after serving in The Royal Irish Rifles Regiment, intended place of residence Manchester but seems not to have got there.

Ellen Hegarty's father was Cornelius Hegarty from Cork.

Pammck

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Since the marriage appears in civil records I presume it took place in a registry office or maybe Church of Ireland ?

What does the cert show for the occupation of his father Michael ?

If this Murphy family were Church of Ireland then the Parish for Kingstown, Co. Dublin was Monkstown and there were two churches at that time - the mariners Church in Kingstown and Monkstown Parish church in the nearby village of Monkstown. I dont believe that any of the Kingstown church records go back far enough for a possible baptism for Peter - baptism records for the Mariner's Church start 1843 and for the later Christ Church Kingstown in the 1850s, transcripts of these are on RootsIreland (pay-website), they do not seem to have any for the parent parish of Monkstown CofI. The original Monkstown records are held n the RCB Libray and go back to the 1670s.

Just in case this Murphy family were Catholic, I checked for possible records for Peter five years either side of 1834, a number of matches in Dublin city and county, but none showed up in Kingstown parish or any of the adjacent parishes.
 

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you for your kind reply and your efforts to trace my elusive family.

I have been re-visiting all my documents.

I do not have a copy of  the actual marriage certificate, I have transcriptions from The Family Search Site.

Ireland Civil Records 1848- 1913 - St Michael's Cork

Ireland Marriages 1619-1898 - St Finn Barr Cork

Does that mean they had two ceremonies?

Marriage date and all other details are the same.  Is it possible to obtain copies of Ireland Civil Certificates from England? It would be helpful.

As for Peter's birth...  His Military Records state that he was born in The Parish of St Mary's near Kingstown, Dublin. He was apparently 20 years of age in 1854 when he took the King's Two Shillings and Sixpence in Liverpool.

Michael was baptised in Douglas, Cork

Pammck

You can order a research marriage cert from the GRO for €4, the references you need are Cork Registration District, Volume 4, page 501 along with one of the names.  There are details on the IrishGenealogy website on how to order these, along with the form required - see  item 1a on this link.  You have to mail or fax in the order, and the GRO can either mail or email your research cert. Many marriage records are already available on the free IrishGenealogy website, and further records are due to be added later in the year.

The two records you have seen on FamilySearch are just double transcripts of the same record, happens quite a bit with their system.

Peter reported place of birth as 'The Parish of St Mary's near Kingstown' - is not making much sense - there's no parish of that name in Kingstown (now Dún Laoghaire), or closeby that I can think of. There are at least two St. Mary parishes in and near Dublin city.. I wonder did he mean a Church named St. Mary's ?

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Just to explain the probable reason for the slightly different locations given on  the two FamilySearch marriage transcripts St Finn Barr vs St. MIchael - the parish for the area is St. Finn Barr's Church of Ireland Cork, and St. Michael's was a chapel of ease for the parish. St Finn Barr's Cathedral is in Cork city, and St. Michael's Chapel is near Blackrock - about 5km west of the city.  The transcriber of the first record seems to have noted the overall parish, and the second the actual chapel used.
 
My gtgtgt-grandparents married in the the same chapel just three years before your Peter and Ellen - the groom was a Coastguard serving at Blackrock Station.

I have some photos of St. Michael's CofI somewhere - I'll see if I can locate them...

 

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Many thanks, I am not confident in the details Peter gave on his enlistment, my McKenna grandfather gave Birmingham Warwickshire as his place of birth, it transpired that his father was also in the Warwickshire Regiment and Thomas Vernon McKenna was in fact born in Nova Scotia.

I am pretty certain Peter was born in Kingstown but was baptised in a St Mary's Church somewhere else. Dublin or Cork are both possible. Marriage usually take place in the bride's parish, Peter and Ellen had to have met somewhere, possible that Peter's family originated in Cork or that both sets of parents were also in the military. I have applied for the civil marriage certificate as it seems a good starting point. Thank you for your thoughts, much appreciated...

 

 

Pammck

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