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Murray - Parish Unknown

Dublin

Hello All

I've just started to try to trace my family history and I'm trying to verify in which parish my grandparents - Frances BM (not sure what the 'BM' stands for, as yet) - and Patrick MURRAY may have been married. All I know at this stage, is that they lived in Dublin and that Frances was born a round 1885-1895 and that they had at least 8 chidren - John, George, Joseph, Patrick, Edward, Gerald, Patricia(?) and my mum - Maureen Jane. May have been more children, and not all of them were registered, apparently.

Any information would be most grateully received.

regards and thanks

Julie

IrelandXO member

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Do you have years of birth, or even estimates, for any of the children ?

I think I'd start the search with a birth cert for one or more of the children to establish the maiden surname for Frances, as that would help narrow the search for the marriage..

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

The BMD Index shows a number of Maureen Murray births registered in in the early 1900s, most without a middle name recorded, but there is one for a Maureen Jane Murray during the July-September quarter of 1923...  does this sound like it could be correct for your mother ?

A research cert from the GRO would show date and place of birth for Maureen, her parents names, father's occupation etc.

The full Index references are required to order the cert are on the FamilySearch website - see here, let me know if you need assistance with how to order a cert, and I'll post the instruction..

Do you know Maureen's place among her siblings - eldest, middle, youngest ?

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Shane

I've actually verified my mother's DOB and can confirm that yes, she was born on 15th July 1923.  It's her mother's maiden name and her father's full name which I'm most interested in, as a starting point for further research.  Will I need to order a copy of her certificate to obtain that?  Will those details be included on her birth certificate?

Her youngest sibling was Joseph, second youngest was Patricia (maybe Frances Patricia or Patricia Frances), then cam mum - Maureen Jane.  Her oldest brother was John, I believe.

Any further information or points for follow-up which you may be able to provide, would be very welcome.  I'm in Australia, so it's a little tricky to chase up some sources first hand - although without the internet, I really don't know what we'd do!

Many thanks

Julie

IrelandXO member

A birth cert will show the following details :

     Registration District, County etc
     Date & Place of Birth
     Name (of Child)
     Sex
     Name and Surname and Dwelling Place of Father
     Name and Maiden Surname of Mother
     Rank or Profession of Father
     Signature, Qualification and Residence of Informant
     Date of Registration
     Registrars name

GRO research certs cost 4 euro, to request these, download the order form from this link (MSWord document, Dept.of Social Protection or Welfare),

Print out a copy and enter your details in section 1, and your credit card details in section 3. Put the index references for the record you wish to order (name, record type, reg. district, record type, year/quarter, page & volume) in section 2. If you have several certs to order, you can print the references for these on a separate page and attach to the order form.

Ignore the irrelevant sections on the form such as exact date of birth etc, PPS number etc, the forms are more geared to modern official certs for legal purposes. In section 3 tick the 'photocopy' option to select the cheaper research certs. Post (or fax) the completed form to the GRO, the head office address is at the top of the form.

Certs are normally delivered by post, but you can opt for delivery by email by ticking the option in section 1 and including an email address.

Some of the details on the familysearch data are internal LDS references,film number image no etc , and not relevant to the GRO, so the details you need to include are as follows :

Name: Maureen Jane Murray
Event Type:Birth
Quarter and Year:Jul - Sep 1923
Registration District: Dublin North
Volume :2 / Page :283

If you get the cert post the details here, particularly Frances' maiden name, and we can search for her marriage to Patrick.

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Shane

Thank you for the very comprehensive response.  One other query which I hope you can answer:  As part of my Family History course (which I've just started), I'll be able to access Ancestry.com free for one month.  Will I be able to source the irish Birth Certificates via Ancestry?

Once again, thanks for your help, it's much appreciated.

regards

JJ

IrelandXO member

Hi Shane

Thank you for the very comprehensive response.  One other query which I hope you can answer:  As part of my Family History course (which I've just started), I'll be able to access Ancestry.com free for one month.  Will I be able to source the irish Birth Certificates via Ancestry?

Once again, thanks for your help, it's much appreciated.

regards

JJ

IrelandXO member

Ancestry have a copy of the Irish BMD Index, sourced from FamilySearch, but dont have access to the these certs - these can only be ordered from the GRO for these dates. Older records are often availabale online, e.g. IrishGenealogy and RootsIreland websites, and these will be useful for the older generation, but Maureen's birth is too recent.

 

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

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