family lived in Grangegorman, 1800's

Hi,  it does seem that the records only show the wife's name is Eliza Jane there are several births shown for the couple ,     Alicia in 1832  Jane in 35, Randall Edward in38 and he seems to be the last. the addresses given are Phibsborough for the first, then Grangegorman Lane and then Stanhope street.  Alicia marries from Stanhope street in 1850 . There is a Death of Eliza Jane Wilson in 1869 and her age is given as 75 so born 1794. Sophia was 18 when she married in 46  born 1828  but there is no sign of a marriage of John and Eliza Jane there are a few Marriages of a John Wilson. Young girls often changed their names.  I found no connection with the name Emerson and Wilsons.   I looked in wills for Johns Death without any luck at least nothing that seemed to fit your John Wilson.     Best

Betty, I haven't been able to confirm your Taafe marriage, but there was one Taafe birth in North Dublin in 1845.  Regarding your John Wilson, Pettigrew and Oulton 1840 list nine John Wilsons as living in Dublin.  However, identifying Grangenorman is more difficult, as areas are irrelevant and streets are listed.  None appear to be in Grangenorman, but one John Wilson, a watch and clockmaker, was listed as residing at 68 Great Britain Street, now called Parnell Street.

Looking at some of the information above, Manor Street is south west of Grangenorman, by a few hundred metres and Parnell Street ( Great Britain Street ) is about 500 metres east of Manor Street and south east of Grangenorman.

 

Hi ,          Looked again at your search, and found that it was quite a large family of mostly girls and one boy,John. There may have been a second son who died. John seems to be best man at most of the girls marriages. I know this does not answer your query, but there were  more children born than the ones in the Grangegorman area, even John, although 5 Stanhope street does seem to become the family home for some of the girls marriages. John and Eliza Jane had to have married before Grangegorman, so where.  These marriage appear in the time frame. 1817  John and Letitia Booker ( and yes, George Booker is a witness at Sophias marriage)   1819 John and Eliz. Bolton,   1822 John and Letitia Robinson, 1825 John and Sophia Sutton. and if we speak of distances they are all fairly close to each other as the crow flies.   Letitia is a name that comes out in the following generations and I got the feeling that Eliza Jane gave nice and out of the ordinary names for her girls,. I myself went for Letitia Booker as she had a John born, and there was a connection with Sophia.  It is prob. your Gt. or Gt. Gt. granparent .  As to the Emerson,  There is a Letitia Wilson who Marries a James Anderson Scott in 1854 and her father is given as John Emerson Wilson a China Trader.        Best

Hello Everyone,

I am answering you all on this reply post,  this must be an other the way to reply to each one  sorry about that.

You all have given me some of the answers I have been searching for, I had looked at Eliza Jane as the mother but the more I looked at the name I thought I was making a mistake, then searcher mentioned Stanhope Street, I grew up in Dublin but never knew where Stanhope Street was, so it was hard for me to put it all together, my Great Grandfather George William Taaffe and his wife had a daughter named Letitia,  you have all given me a lot to work with I really appreciate it very much, I will try to find Eliza Jane and John Wilson's marriage record and where they were born.

If there is a better way to reply I would appreciate knowing it.again all the names and places  will be a great help to me.

Thank you all.

Betty

Betty,   You may have thought you were finished.  However, your reply has forced me to go back through my own research of the last 15 years or so.  I have come up with the fact that there was a Henry TAAFE in Dublin records as early as 1820. This man was witness on a birth at St Mary Pro Church, which is east of Grangenorman.  He cannot be your 1846 reference, but he is likely to have named one of his sons Henry.  There are several John Wilsons in Dublin records between 1820 and 1849.  One is referred to as being associated with St George Church, east of Grangenorman.  Another has a wife named Sophia.  I have not spent enough time on task to identify real facts, and am rather busy moving house at in the next few weeks. 

 SARAH WILSONDate of Birth21 June 1821AddressN/RFatherJOHN WILSONMotherMARGARET WILSON  St George 2. JOHN WILSON  Date of Birth  15 November 1827   64 BRIDGEFT STREET    F  JOHN WILSON  M     SOPHIA WILSON  St Catherine

3.  also a John in 1829   (as above)

4.  JOHN WILSON   Date of Birth11 January 1824    AddressN/R   FatherJOHN WILSON    MotherMARGARET WILSON          St George

 

You may want this record  :

HENRY TAAFFE        SOPHIA WILSON          Address63 MANOR ST                 63 MANOR ST    OccupationGENT  NN/R

Father       HENRY EDMOND TAAFFE            JOHN WILSON           MotherN/R            N/R

Let you digest the information.  Let me know if you need more???

Betty, On reading what I was gleaning from records.   It would appear that the births are all irrelevant.  and the Marriage may give you some information

Ron M

Victoria Australia

 

Final annoyance  

E H Taaffe esq lived at 8 Buckingham Street Upper in 1834

H enry Taaffe  esq    NOTE     MD     at 8 Denzille Street  in 1834

Hi Betty,       You replied in the right place.   Sorry about the confusion, Stanhope street is in Grangegorman, around the corner from Arbour hill, which is a stones throw away from Smithfield, as to the Marriages I gave you , if you could take away the river Liffey, they would all be neighbours, although some are just south of the Liffey.      George Wm. Emerson Taaffe was born in my home town although his parents appeared to move about a lot for each child.    His father Henry Edmond said he was 27 when he married, which is 1819, and that his father was also Henry Edmond,  then Henry was baptised in  Rathfarnham RC  which may well be the reason why himself and Sophia were Married from  63 Manor street. His mother would have been Eleanor ?........    On the Emerson name. I often come across famous christian names of children when their parents want to make some statement.  Ralph Emerson was a famous Essayist / Philosopher who was famous at that time. He had a new way of thinking.     Best Myles

Betty,  Here is an old request found on the Internet.  It appears to have some possible relevance for your search, although from what has been said, it might be another line in this family.  It does provide content you may know more about than I do.

https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/taaffe/145/

My ggrandmother was Letitia Eleanor Taaffe Parkinson.She was born on 7 July 1859 in Dublin Co., Ireland.She immagrated to California and married Henry Fitzgerald Parkinson.Her father was Henry Taaffe.I think that her mother was Sophia Wilson.Her grandfather was Henry Edmond Taaffe of Woodfield, Mayo Co., Ireland.Her siblings might have been Sophia, George and Harry Taaffe.If anyone has any information about this family I would appreciate your help.Tish

RM  Vic

One more before I go.  May not have more time to help.  

ST. GEORGE

Baptism of SOPHIA FRANCES WILSON of N/R on 9 April 1822.       There is a difficulty with this record  : 27 March 1822AddressN/RFatherWILLIAM WILSONMotherMARY WILSON

However, thhis appears to be the only Sophia Wilson birth in the period from 1810 to 1833.

Could father be William John    or  it may be that she was orphaned??

There was also a John Wilson attached to St George between 1815 and 1828.  He was married to a Margaret ;    There were 375 births of Wilsons in Dublin in the years mentioned.

Betty, I'm not sure if this is of any value.  It might be that neither Wilson nor Taafe had a long history in Dublin before 1800.  I have not been able to produce a William or John  Wilson marriage to a Margaret in Dublin before 1824.  this deals with Taaffe :   http://places.galwaylibrary.ie/history/chapter305.html ;

Very final reply.  Moving house :   Not sure if the "facts" in the attached file will help you, but I provide them as they are all ( very unlikely) possibilities, but only you can decide.

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Hello Everyone,

It has taken me a while to try and get some answers not much luck, but I do thank everyone for the  replies it was a big help to me as I was searching, The Henry Taaffe Baptised in Rathfarnham I don't know anything about.George William Taaffe was baptised in St Marys Haddington Road when one of his children was baptised, Letitia Taaffe Parkison was George William's sister. I did find a Letitia  Robinson born 1800 married to a John  Wilson St Peters  Dublin 1822, John Wilson was born 1797, both were from the same parish.I look for the children because sometimes the Mother is named.and there sre so many John  Wilson's, I haven't been able to find Sophia 's mother, I checked a lot of names and I am still looking. I found a George Boomer born in Kilkenny.I think I have another record with George Boomer on it as a witness,I was wondering if John Wilson had anything to do with the Church ?? just curious. the names Fitzgerald and Emmerson are linked to the family somehow. I will leave you all for now until I get some really good news.

Thank you all again.

Betty 

 

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Hi Betty,  Sorry for the delay, I was meaning to get back to you.    If its of any interest to you, is seems that John Wilson and Eliza Jane are buried in Mount Jerome.  John in 1862 18th of Sept, and Eliza Jane 17th of Dec.1879.  He was 76 and Eliza 80. Their home address was  21 Blackhall Street. Which is around the corner from the previous address.   It might just have a mention of her Maiden name, otherwise as Ron said you need the Marriage. The question is ,   how will you know its the right one .     Did not find a Will for John but Eliza Jane left all to her daughter Jane,born 1835.      I see you didnt know  the Henry baptised in Rathfarnham ,   but Henry said that his father was Henry Edmond and when he died in 1876 his age was 60 so born 1816.  I looked at the Taaffe's in Mayo and no Henry until much later, of course I could be wrong.  For your note, George William was baptised in St Andrews Westland Row the same year Mary was baptised in Haddington Road. He had two of Millie's siblings as Sonsors .  Also note that you could have cousins in the USA. A Letitia emigrated there.   Best     

Betty , I presume u have the baptism of Geroge William Emerson Taaffe, in 1862. ?

This baptism took place In St Peter's COI 

This child was the son of Henry and Sophia Wilson  9 no maiden name recorded) of Serpentine Avenue, which is in Sandymount in the south city. 

His later baptism was most likely to change religion.

Hello again so many thanks for your response,Yes George William became a catholic at that time  I believe his wife's family were Catholic. I am going nuts looking for a mother for Sophia Wilson George William's mother, the Henry from Rathfarnham was the son of Henry Edmond and Eleanor Athy.

Is it possible that Sophia Wilson was born in England ??, it is strange that she is listed as living on Manor Street when she married Henry.and nothing before, like a maiden name or a family.  

Searcher I will try Mount Jerome tomorrow I am living on US  time,  maybe you hit the jackpot, I had contact one time with 

a member of Letitia's family but never heard back, maybe I should try again. Letitia was Georges Sister. once again you have all really helped me, I thank  You.

Betty 

Betty,

I don't have time for much follow-up, at present.   However, in the 1820 Tithes, there are several ATHY named people, but they are noy from Dublin.  They can be found in Co Mayo and Co Galway, Seven entries suggest only three names : Pat, Phillip and Simion.  You appear to have the ability tp follow up leads.

Betty,

An accidental 5 minutes has brought me back to your topic.  It would appear that from 1805 to 1810 there were three Athy marriages in Ireland ( source :  RootsIreland.ie.  Two of these marriages return a Dublin NORTH location and strangely enough both return JOHN as the groom's name.  This may mean that the record has been duplicated and that there was actually only one marriage, but I cannot tell you for certain.  Athys appear to have migrated to America in the years before 1800.  However, four  children were born to Henry and Eleanor TAAFE, BUT between 1802 and 1810 )  1808 and1809.....  However, the marriage does not appear to have been in Dublin.  You might find this interesting   : Irish: one of the very few Irish surnames derived from a place name, namely Athy in county Kildare, Gaelic Áth í 'ford of the yew tree'.    and you might like to read this entry  : http://www.galway-ireland.ie/athy.htm ; Sorry! I have to stop

 

Hi Betty, a quick note, I wouldnt get too worried if you cant find  Sophia's Mothers name.   The past is a foreign country, and Im sorry to have to say that it was totally dominated by men, even though lots of them claimed to be Gentlemen. Even priests and Minesters. If you go back far enough the mother was usually mentioned by name.        I have already assumed that John Wilson was Married in a different  county or country,as the births of 3 or 4 of the children are missing too.    It shouldnt be too difficult to find your cousins in America if you know what state they are in, or if you know where they live ,send them a copy of your family tree especially covering the older details  before they left.  its just a lucky dip, and you might just get what you want if you dip in the right place, as long as its there to begin with.      Best 

 Just thinking,,Eliza Jane could even be a second wife.... Best

Hi Betty, glad you are tracking down your Taafe family