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searching for info on Samuel Munce B 1778 parents name and info on his first marriage to Eliza or Sarah Moore, 1800's

DownKillyleagh (Down)

Hello I am searching for some information on my g,g,g grandfather Samuel Munce who came to Australia in 1831.  His first marriage was to Elizabeth (or could have been Sarah) Moore, who lived at Mooreville. I cannot find any evidence of this marriage which would have been around early 1800's or thereabouts. They had 3 sons William John Munce B 1814, Samuel Moore Munce  B 1817 and James Henry Munce B 1821.  All of these sons were born in Ireland, there is a question mark as to where, some say Dublin others say Drumreagh in Nth Ireland.  I also cannot find any evidence of the Sons births. 

Samuel Munce the father of the 3 boys, was born in 1778 at Drumreagh Nth Ireland, I would like to see if there is a birth certificate for him as I do not know the names of his parents.  I know Samuel had a 2nd marriage in England to Sarah Hall in 1831, the year he came out to Australia.  I have a lot of information on Samuel and his 3 sons in Australia, but very little infor or birth records or marriage record in Ireland.

I believe Samuel and his family lived on a farm named "Drumreagh" (he called his fram in Tasmania Drumreagh after his homeland farm in Co Down.)

Samuel lived in Dublin for a few years and he had a Merchants shop in Dublin and I believe he also had a shop in Belfast as Merchants in a partnership with a man named Radcliffe these were owned around the 1810 year upto the 1820's.

I am interested in any information on Samuel Munce's B 1778, parents names and also Samuel's first marriage to Elizabeth or Sarah Moore, who lived at Mooreville .

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Hi Tracey,

Thank you for your message.

Is there some connection between the family and Killyleagh parish? I did a search for Drumreagh in Northern Ireland and there are townlands of that name in both Down and Antrim:

Kilbroney, Co. Down: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=835&civilparish=Kilbroney&citycounty=Down

Killinchy, Co. Down: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=840&civilparish=Killinchy&citycounty=Down

Ballymoney, Co. Antrim:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=276&civilparish=Ballymoney&citycounty=Antrim

I could not find any reference to a Mooreville.

A useful website for Irish place names is http://www.irish-place-names.com/

As civil registration only began in 1864 you will have to look at church records for Samuel?s birth and marriage details. However, in order to do this you really need to know the parish where the birth/marriage occurred.

Most Catholic records are held locally so you may need to write to the local parish priest for possible assistance. One website that you may find useful is the Irish Times where they give an overview of what records are available in specific parishes. It also shows you where copies of the records are available. For parishes in Down, follow this link:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/downrc.htm

For Antrim:

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/antrimrc.htm

Most surviving Church of Ireland records are still held by the local clergy, although some are in the National Archives of Ireland and others are in the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. Here are their websites: http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ and http://ireland.anglican.org/about/42

Lists of these surviving registers can also be found at the National Library of Ireland.

If some of the children were born in Dublin City you may be able to find a record of it online. Irish Genealogy have uploaded church records from Dublin city to their website free of charge:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

It may  be an idea to contact the Ulster Historical Foundation to see if they can be of any assistance to you, however a fee may apply. Here is their email: enquiry@uhf.org.uk

In the meantime, some other websites that you may find useful are:

Some other websites that may be helpful are:

The National Archives of Ireland http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/introduction/

The National Library of Ireland http://www.nli.ie/en/family-history-introduction.aspx

The National Archives UK ? genealogy search: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/

The Public Records Office of Northern Ireland http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/family_history.htm

Family Search: www.familysearch.org

Genealogy Links: Family Search: www.familysearch.org

Family Search links: https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Ireland_Genealogy_Websites?goback=.gde_3030105_member_230205486

Ulster Ancestry:http://www.ulsterancestry.com/ua-free-pages.php

Remember to post any new information that you find here. The more information you post, the more likely it is that one of our volunteers will be able to advise or assist you. Also include information concerning which sources you may have already used so others may further your search.

Kind regards,

Genealogy Support

 

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