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Looking for Flemings near Milford 1800's

DonegalTullyfern (Donegal)

I a looking for the parents of my great grandmother Elizabeth/Lizzie who was born in Loughross Tullyaughnish. baptised 11 Dec 1852.

they are according to her baptism John Fleming and wife Margaret?

On her marriage cert 7 July 1870  her father is shown as James Fleming.

this is all I know about them I do have DNA Flemings who are in the USA but they do not know anything about their ancestors.

Elizabeth had a brother David who was born 10 Nov 1949 and baptised 3 March 1850 in Lochris Donegal. I cant find any evidence of him after this.

I have all Elizabeth/Lizzies records from after her marriage and all her descendants. I don't need any of those.

I am really interested in her parents ancestors going back in time. I have been searching for over 40 years now for them and don't seem to be getting any further.

Any help whatsoever to at least make a hole in my brick wall , I would be really grateful

thank you for anything  

regards Liz 

 

ps I have a tree on ancestry.co.uk  Lewis family tree you are welcome to look at it my user name is madyliz. it is a public tree but I have a research tree privately which has more detail on.

thanks.

 

Madyliz

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From RootsIreland: DAVID FLEMING Birth: 10-Nov-1849 Baptism: 03-Mar-1850 Address: Lochris Parish/District: TULLYAUGHNISH, Co. Donegal Church Of Ireland Father: James Fleming, Farmer Mother: Margaret ELIZABETH FLEMING Birth: 11-Dec-1852 Baptism: 11-Jan-1853 Address: Loughross Parish/District: TULLYAUGHNISH, Co. Donegal Church Of Ireland Father: John Fleming , Farmer Mother: Margaret RootsIreland also has baptismal records for the following children of James and Margaret: Church Baptism Fleming Cathrine 1832 Co. Donegal Church Baptism Fleming Jane 1834 Co. Donegal Church Baptism Fleming John 1836 Co. Donegal Church Baptism Fleming Elizabeth 1840 Co. Donegal Church Baptism Fleming Margaret 1844 Co. Donegal Church Baptism Fleming Thomas 1847 Co. Donegal The baptismal record for Elizabeth (1840) says the mother’s name was MARGARET WILLIAMS. The baptismal record for your Elizabeth, which calls her father John, is a transcription. It’s always a good idea to look at the original register. I hope this is helpful.
glanvil3@aol.com
Also, looked at Fleming as knew about another family with this surname living near Ramelton in past. Below is a link to Loughros Glebe: https://www.townlands.ie/donegal/kilmacrenan/tullyfern/glenalla/loughro… James Fleming is in the 1848 Griffith’s valuation in Loughros with 2 entries as two plots A & B under map reference 1, with a house on the first holding. The acreage is broken down into area, roods, and perches. He is a lessee, and landlord Rev. William Atkins. Attached below the valuation, he is listed near the bottom of the page, also attach a section of the historic map linked to Griffiths for the location. https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ Tullyaughnish church is in the town of Ramelton, Loughros Glebe is located between this town and Milford/Millford. The church name is a combination of the Anglican parishes of Aughnish and Tully. I can see from Patricia that you have more Fleming family than expected which may help explain some of your DNA links. The Aughnish side of the parish also has a James Fleming, he is in both Griffiths valuation and the earlier tithe applotments which listed payments due to Anglican/Church of Ireland clergy in 1834 and payable by all denominations. No Fleming found in Loughros for Tithe Applotments. It is possible Flemings in Loughros were connected to others with this surname in the locality. I know that the Aughnish family also emigrated and that descendants returned on a visit some years ago. Looked up: https://www.irishgenealogy.ie where found that James Fleming, widower of Loughros died in 1896 at age 88, son James at death. No members of the Fleming family showed as living in Loughros in the Census of 1901 and 1911. Williams as a surname is also found in this area. In regard to your marriage search, there can be gaps in Anglican/Church of Ireland records as some were sent to Dublin for storage without a local copy being taken, unfortunately, these were destroyed in the 1922 Four Courts Fire. Marriages were normally in the wife's church. Regards, Marion Whelan - IrelandXO Volunteer ☘
Whelanmg, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎IrelandXO Volunteer

Hi, I'm reposting this in hopes that the format is preserved, allowing you to read it more easily!

From RootsIreland:

DAVID FLEMING
Birth: 10-Nov-1849
Baptism: 03-Mar-1850
Address: Lochris
Parish/District: TULLYAUGHNISH, Co. Donegal
Church Of Ireland
Father: James Fleming, Farmer
Mother: Margaret

ELIZABETH FLEMING
Birth: 11-Dec-1852
Baptism: 11-Jan-1853
Address: Loughross
Parish/District: TULLYAUGHNISH, Co. Donegal
Church Of Ireland
Father: John Fleming , Farmer
Mother: Margaret

RootsIreland also has baptismal records for the following children of James and Margaret:

Church Baptism Fleming Cathrine 1832 Co. Donegal
Church Baptism Fleming Jane 1834 Co. Donegal
Church Baptism Fleming John 1836 Co. Donegal
Church Baptism Fleming Elizabeth 1840 Co. Donegal
Church Baptism Fleming Margaret 1844 Co. Donegal

Church Baptism Fleming Thomas 1847 Co. Donegal

The baptismal record for Elizabeth (1840) says the mother’s name was MARGARET WILLIAMS.

The baptismal record for your Elizabeth, which calls her father John, is a transcription. It’s always a good idea to look at the original register.

glanvil3@aol.com

Thank you so much both, much appreciated.

 I will follow up your leads  this week .

I forgot to put in that my Elizabeth changed her name to Lilian on the  1891 census in Liverpool. She emigrated to Sidney Australia with her eldest child & family, arriving in 1913.  on her death cert which I have, her father is called John Fleming Farmer. I appreciate that this may not be accurate as the daughter may have grown up thinking it was John. It does raise a question mark though.

My uncle started the family tree back in the 70's and he only had the 2 children Elizabeth and David on the tree. He had contact with all the children from her marriage and didn't know anything about the others so again I  look forward to following up on this and hoping it will break my brick wall. It is also the reason I didn't search for more children.

I started looking for her in 1976 , and in earnest in the 1990's and I did find some names on the griffiths valuation but could not be sure if they were actually her family as no corroboration.

This is my work for tomorrow sorted  now

thanks again I will update in a few days if it takes me further with my DNA matches.

take care

Liz

 

Madyliz

Liz

Hope will now be able to move forward.  Death certificates can also be inaccurate as the person registering may not have all the information. To locate the original birth certificate for Elizabeth you could check with the Church of Ireland Representative body in Dublin, https://store.ireland.anglican.org/genealogy. They have a downloadable list of congregations and detail on where records are held, this holding detail does not give information on some of the record gap years. They are carrying out work to retrieve records where possible.  For a more detailed breakdown of church records held by year, the listing of the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland(PRONI) where Donegal congregations are also included can also be viewed, these are only available on microfiche.  

 https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide-to-C…

 I checked the list forTullyaughinish and shows as holding the original in Dublin. 

Marion Whelan - IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

 

Whelanmg, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎IrelandXO Volunteer

hi Patricia I have followed the link for the griffiths and it takes me to the home  page. Found the relevant valuation and the map, but can't make head nor tail of the map as there are no words on it. looked at another one but the writing is so indistinct I can't find A & B.

Is there anyway to make copies of these do you know as I find it dificult to view on a small screen? I remember years ago when I started this before PC's are as good as they are now I did lookk at the first online records of Griffiths and was confused then. but I could print them out then.

Do you have any tips for me on the maps? I can't see any attachments at all you refer to.

thank you again

Liz

Madyliz

Liz

I  am sorry, thought Griffith's valuation page and local map had been uploaded,  I attach them again now, When a map is accessed via Griffiths, it is necessary to search and expand in the marked section for the required townland - Loughros.Glebe. The townlands link which I sent is for overall information on an area, it maps to the locality, but does not show land plots. I will send more detail.

Regards,

Marion Whelan - IrelandXO Volunteer

 

Whelanmg, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎IrelandXO Volunteer

hi Marion

thank you so much for this info I can see 1 b now had not even noticed that but on your map it is so clear that it is by Glenalla which is amazing as Elizabeth's eldest daughter Margaret was born in Glenalla , the only one of her children to be so and also the one she went to Australia with. this is fantastic.  Tomorrow I am going to go buy or look at Irish maps to see if I can get one covering the area.

Very very grateful.

Have uploaded all the childrens baptisms and printed out , so have also made a searchable private tree on ancestry with their names in so hoping to get some hints from that. In the meantime will do some more research on the siblings and plough on to find out more about James and Margaret. I think they are going to be very hard to find a marriage would be great but I don't hold out much hope.

thank you again

Liz

Madyliz

thank you all for your help I have exhausted all your tips and I am no further with finding the marriage for James Fleming and his wife Margaret.

Marion I have checked the RBC website and looked at ways of researching it but they say they do not carry out research for anyone but refer to local genealogists, these would be at a cost though.

I do not have the means to travel to Ireland so looks like my brick wall is well and truly standing tall.

I will come back to it every now and then and continue to look on Roots Ireland in case more records appear. Also hope someone on this site local to the area might go and look at some graveyards for me. fingers crossed.

thanks 

regards Liz

 

Madyliz

Liz

I am from Ramelton, but I think it is unlikely will find a headstone, some older graveyards have been transcribed but all have headstones that cannot be read. I checked two graveyards online, given Loughros Glebe location, I know that there are others that may have been used for burial. As the opportunity arises, will search other graveyards in the vicinity. 

http://donegalgenealogy.com/tullyaughnishGY.htm

http://donegalgenealogy.com/tullyrcGYd.htm

I occasionally visit Dublin and plan to visit the RBC library to enquire about another church's records.  When next making the trip will ask to view the Tullyaughnish records and update you on my findings. 

Regards,

Marion Whelan - IrelandXO Volunteer ☘

Whelanmg, IrelandXO Volunteer ☘︎IrelandXO Volunteer

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