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From Samuel Sherlock's army discharge papers he was 15years and 3 months on 11 June 1830, making his birth around April 1815 in the' Parish of Midleton in or near the Town of Midleton in the County of Cork'. I know the parish registers do not start till 1819. Have had no luck finding any record of his birth.

On his marriage certificate on 5 January 1855 he is a widower of 38 years, his occupation is a band master and his father Thomas Sherlock is deceased and was a saddler. I have not found his first marriage. Samuel was a bugler while he was in the army. He died in 1864 in Stafford, Staffordshire.

In his son, Samuel Thomas Sherlock's, Army Attestation papers, onthe religious denomination line High Church of England was crossed out and Roman Catholic written. So I presume the family is Roman Catholic.

I was wondering about the period before the registers started in 1819, where did people go to be baptised or married who lived in the Midleton area.

Another thought I had was that Samuel and his son Samuel Thomas were in the Army, was Thomas Samuel's father? Would a saddler work in a village or could this occupation be in the army as well?

Please help a totally confused Australia.

Best wishes

Joan

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The RC parish and /or a local chapel was likely in existence before 1819, but either did not keep written records at the time or if they did, then these no longer longer survive.  It might be worth trying records of adjacent parishes in case the area covered by the later parish of Midleton had previously been covered by one of these ..

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Joan,

As the only transportation and work machinery used only horse power, then the saddler was very much needed in the army and also in the village.  Not only did they make saddles but they also made much of the other leather goods needed.   So your ancestor could have worked in either.

Anne

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Thanks for your reply.

I am slightly puzzled by the 'adjacent parishes of Midleton'.  I have two maps in front of me.  One has Midleton in the middle, then surrounding it is Carrigtwohill, Lisgoold, Imogeela, Killeagh, Youghal, Ballymacoda, Cloyne, Aghada and Cobg.

The other has Midleton in the middle, has the above names but also a few extras, Mogeesha, Ballyspillane, Inchinabacky, Balloughtera and others.

Could you please explain when you say adjacent, which ones you mean.

Thanks 

Joan

 

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Anne

Thanks for the information.  There are obviously so many places where he could be working.  It would be so easy if he had been in the army.  I did find a Thomas Sherlock but his occupation was a labourer.  I shall keep looking.

Joan

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It sounds like the first map you mentioned is based on the 1830s parish layout, so might the best one to start with, if records allow. The parishes were not static, so there were changes to boundaries etc over time, some of the parishes could have merged and new ones established since the early 1810s.

I suspect in this case it's quite a long shot searching adjacent areas,  since Middleton is a fairly major town and I suspect that there would have a chapel or parish in the area long before 1819, but that there are no records available. It might be worth checking into the history of the town in case there are any mention of Catholic Churches, Abbeys, or Chapels as they are often referred to.

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

RootsIreland (pay-website) has transcripts for a number of the parishes in the area, so had quick search of the index for any Sherlock baptisms between 1800 and 1820, that might fit for Samuel, or even a sibling of his. Just one match that I located with father's name Thomas in the north-east Cork, and that was a baptism of a William Sherlock in 1810 in the RC parish of Mitchelstown. Mother's name is matching Honora.

(you can check dates they have available for each parish on their sources page)

 

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

It would be just like my luck for no records to be available!!  Same problem with Jewish marriages in Spitafields, London, searched all the Synagogue records - but not my Levy!!

BUT I will check the other parishes and read up on the history of Midleton.

Thanks again

Joan

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Maybe it is worth looking further into the William Sherlock you found with the father Thomas, maybe he could be a brother of Samuel.  Even though you didn't find Samuel it might be worth me looking around the Mitchelstown area further.

Thanks for that

Joan

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Maybe it is worth looking further into the William Sherlock you found with the father Thomas, maybe he could be a brother of Samuel.  Even though you didn't find Samuel it might be worth me looking around the Mitchelstown area further.

Thanks for that

Joan

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Maybe it is worth looking further into the William Sherlock you found with the father Thomas, maybe he could be a brother of Samuel.  Even though you didn't find Samuel it might be worth me looking around the Mitchelstown area further.

Thanks for that

Joan

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There is a census for Midleton Catholic Parish for 1842 but no Sherlocks appear in it.

There are no Sherlocks in either of the recorded cemeteries.The Holy Rosary which is the Catholic and St. John the Baptist which is around the Church of Ireland but is a buriel place of both Catholic and Church of Ireland people.

Sorry i could not find anything for you.

Regards for now. Anne.

Anne O'NeillIrelandXO Volunteer

Hi Anne

Thanks for the time you have spent.  Maybe there just is no record for his baptism.

Last night I was on the Irish Ancestors site, with the Irish Times records of 'Sherlock households in each civil parish of Cork East 1851-53'.

Sherlock households in each civil parish of Cork East in 1851-3.

19Brigown 5
East520Britway 1
East143Fermoy 1
East146Glanworth 2
East257Kilgullane 1
East170Kilworth 4

They were mostly Johns, one Edward.  No Thomas or Samuel.

I might look further into the WIlliam Sherlock with father Thomas from Mitchelstown.  If I can find a Thomas Sherlock who is a saddler, Samuel's father, then I would be on the right track.
 There is a possibility that Thomas was in the Army seeing that his son and his grandson both joined up.  Another avenue to look at but as I said before only found Thomas Sherlock who was a labourer from the town of Einlifad in County of Sligo who was discharged 17 May 1817.  He was 25 in 1816 and discharged with injury of the spine.  Although right age, don't think it is him.

Thanks for your time

Joan

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