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Previous message. Hopefully someone can help find what they are looking for.
IrelandXO | Help Locating Old General Register Of Nationals Volumes
Why not contact the Dept of Foreign Affairs (DFA) and ask them if they have any record of Helen or Arthur being registered as foreign born Irish citizens? (PO Box 13003, Balbriggan, Co Dublin). Since the records may still be relevant today it’s possible they still hold them as opposed to sending them to the National Archives. If they don’t have them they’ll hopefully direct you to where they are held.
https://www.ireland.ie/en/dfa/citizenship/born-abroad/registering-a-foreign-birth/
In my experience, most folk of Irish descent in the US in the mid 1900s were more focussed on their US citizenship and living in the US, than retaining/claiming Irish nationality as they probably thought it unlikely they’d ever live permanently in Ireland. If they did want to visit Ireland, a US passport would do nicely.
Post 1922, Irish passport holders (Irish Free State documents as they were till 1949) generally required visas to enter the USA, so an Irish passport wasn’t seen as useful as an American one. So, for most potentially eligible folk, what practical benefit would there be in registering? There was also a perception (I am not sure how accurate it was) that US citizens who acquired a second citizenship might thereby jeopardise their US citizenship. I think that made some folk cautious about exercising any right to another nationality.
Did Helen or Arthur ever visit Ireland, let alone settle here? If the answer is no, I doubt they bothered registering as Irish citizens. But the DFA should be able to clarify for you.
Thank you, Elwyn. I have already contacted DFA, and they reported no Foreign Births Register entry for Arthur in their 1956–1994 search.
One possibility I am trying to investigate is whether Arthur’s mother, Helen Mary Hurley Lassonde, may have taken some action concerning Arthur’s Irish nationality while he was younger, or whether either Helen or Arthur appears in an older nationality/citizenship register that isn’t covered by the modern DFA search.
I don’t currently have evidence that Helen or Arthur visited or lived in Ireland. My main hope now is to find someone who visits the National Archives or National Library in Dublin and might be willing to check the physical historical registers and indexes for Helen or Arthur, particularly the pre-1956 General Register of Nationals and Department of Justice nationality/naturalisation records.
Do you happen to know anyone who might be willing to help with a physical lookup?
Thanks, Elwyn. I actually agree with your point — it may very well be that Helen and Arthur simply never registered because there was little practical reason for them to do so at the time. I just want to know for sure rather than assume.
I have already contacted DFA and the Department of Justice. DFA reported no Foreign Births Register entry for Arthur in the period they searched, and Justice also reported no record for Helen or Arthur.
What I am now trying to locate are the older records that may not be covered by a modern FBR search — particularly the General Register of Nationals under the 1935 Act, pre-1956 minor-naturalisation records, and any surviving consular Register of Nationals records or transmissions from the United States.
Do you happen to know whether those older registers can be inspected at the National Archives or elsewhere, or anyone in Ireland who could check them in person? Helen may also appear as Helen Mary Hurley/Lassonde or Mary Ellen Hurley.
Thanks, Elwyn. I actually agree with your point — it may very well be that Helen and Arthur simply never registered because there was little practical reason for them to do so at the time. I just want to know for sure rather than assume.
I have already contacted DFA and the Department of Justice. DFA reported no Foreign Births Register entry for Arthur in the period they searched, and Justice also reported no record for Helen or Arthur.
What I am now trying to locate are the older records that may not be covered by a modern FBR search — particularly the General Register of Nationals under the 1935 Act, pre-1956 minor-naturalisation records, and any surviving consular Register of Nationals records or transmissions from the United States.
Do you happen to know whether those older registers can be inspected at the National Archives or elsewhere, or anyone in Ireland who could check them in person? Helen may also appear as Helen Mary Hurley/Lassonde or Mary Ellen Hurley.
Just to clarify one point: I’m not only looking for a modern Foreign Births Register entry…. Between 1935 and 1956 there were separate nationality procedures under the 1935 Act, including the Register of Nationals/General Register of Nationals, and potentially minor naturalisation records for Arthur. That older material is what I’m especially trying to locate.
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Searching the National Archives site I found a single application for registration under the 1935 Act for an Edward Lahiff who applied in 1936 (DFA/2/1/296). I suppose you could contact National Archives and ask them if that’s their only such record. Surely there should be more? If so, where are they?
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Thank you, Elwyn. That DFA/2/1/296 reference is very interesting and exactly the type of lead I have been looking for. I agree there surely should have been more applications/registrations under the 1935 Act than the single catalogue result.
I have contacted the National Archives previously, but I don’t believe I have specifically asked them to use DFA/2/1/296 as a reference point to identify the surrounding series or other 1935 Act registration files.
I am particularly trying to determine whether Helen Mary Hurley/Lassonde (also possibly Mary Ellen Hurley) ever registered, or whether she took any action concerning her son Arthur Edward Lassonde while he was younger.
I’ll follow up with the National Archives using that file reference. If you happen to find any neighboring references or an index/register associated with DFA/2/1/296, I would be very interested. Thank you again for taking the time to search.
Just a quick update and bump on this request. I’m still hoping someone familiar with Irish nationality records, the National Archives, or old consular records might have an idea where the surviving 1935–1956 registration records could be held.
I’m particularly trying to determine whether Helen Mary Hurley/Lassonde or her son Arthur Edward Lassonde may ever have been registered or had any nationality-related contact with the Irish authorities.
Any lead, even on where these records might be located, would be greatly appreciated.
I could still use some help locating older Irish citizenship, naturalization, passport, or consular records for Helen Hurley/Lassonde and her son, Arthur Lassonde. I am especially interested in learning whether they ever applied for or received Irish citizenship, registered with an Irish consulate, obtained passports, or appeared in any related immigration or government records.
If anyone has experience researching Irish citizenship or consular documents from earlier periods, I would be very grateful for suggestions about where to look. Possible sources might include the National Archives of Ireland, Department of Foreign Affairs records, local county archives, church registers, immigration files, naturalization records, or consular archives in the country where Helen and Arthur lived.
Any advice about relevant archives, databases, record collections, search strategies, or researchers who specialize in Irish genealogy and citizenship history would be greatly appreciated.
