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Famine Brothers-from Cork and Dublin to Massachusetts-many mysteries.

My father and I are taking a genealogy trip in October to Dublin and Cork.  We are trying to see where our ancestor and his brother might have lived in both cities.  The timeline in Ireland starts in Cork in 1839 , leads to Dublin about 1843, a stop in the South Dublin Workhouse 1847 and a voyage to NYC in 1853, ending in Middlesex County, Massachusetts.  The mysteries, were the parents married?, Family lore says surname might not be true surname.  Mother may have stayed behind in Ireland or died there? Father took boys traveling via wagon and camping in woods for a time, then abandoned them in Dublin workhouse, but then took them to NYC before disappearing again.   

Here are the known facts. DNA proves they were brothers.  Barney (Bernand) Dolan born 1839 in Cork, baptized at St. Mary's cork city.  Parents: Michael Dolan and Ellen Lahey (Leahy).  John F. Dolan, born 1843 in Dublin, baptized at St James, Dublin City parents: Michael Dolan and Ellen Lahey.  Brothers in South Dublin workhouse together spring 1847, listed as abandoned by father, Michael.  Discharged April 1847?  Then in Spring 1853, Michael, Barney and John travel together on the ship Agenora from Dublin to NYC arrive May 1853.  As soon as 1855, Barney is living in Massachusetts working in a shoe factory, lived his life there.  John's naturalization papers state he travel a few years (with Michael?) then arrived in same town in MA as brother worked as a shoemaker, but not until 1860, lived his life there.  

No records in the USA for Michael Dolan, family lore says he disappeared.

So, there is a large age difference between the boys, but I have not found other siblings with the same parents.  So, maybe some children died?  Rumor says Ellen either worked in a big house, or was a member of a big house and gave the boys to Michael.

What would have compelled the family to go from Cork to Dublin sometime between 1839 and 1843?  The famine,? both brothers worked in the shoe industry in the USA, did either city in Ireland have a big shoe industry?  Also, there are several years from the time the brothers are in the workhouse, until the family emigrates to the USA, was it common to enter the workhouse for a time and then leave?

We plan on visiting the churches where the brothers were baptized and exploring the neighborhoods around there, any recommendations for places to visit? Or local archives to explore?

thanks.

rjdkirch

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Bernard's naturalization papers, accessed on Ancestry, note that he was born in Cork City.

glanvil3@aol.com

Rachel,

Perhaps another brother. He might have died? It looks like Michael, Ellen, and Bernard went to Dublin. Perhaps Michael and Ellen were seeking work.

Record from Ancestry

Name

Thomas Dolan

Baptism Age

0[0]

Event Type

Baptism

Birth Date

1842

Baptism Date

14 Feb 1842

Baptism Place

St Nicholas' (Without), Dublin city, Dublin, Ireland

Parish Variants

Francis St., St. Nicholas (without), Francis Street

Diocese

Dublin

Father

Michl Dolan

Mother

Ellen Lahy

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Hi, yes I saw that at one point,  not sure if Thomas died or is not related...but I have seen that entry and have it bookmarked.  what I wonder is why the family kept going to different churches for baptism?  It makes it hard to know where they came from.  Any suggestions on local archives to search for other records?

Thanks.

Rachel

rjdkirch

The two Dublin city parishes mentioned and their churches are still open and although enlarged and updated over the years still at the same locations.

James's Street , Francis Street (www.dublindiocese.ie)

The first, 'St. James'' in the the street of the same name (James' Street) almost opposite the main site of the Guinness Brewery.

The correct name for the second is 'St Nicholas of Myra' and probably better known to most Dubliners as 'Francis Street Church' , this church is on the same site as earlier chapels and a former Franciscan Friary, which gave the name to the street.

(There were also Church of Ireland parishes/churches of the same names in the city - close to both these Catholic churches)

The records for both parishes are available on the both the free IrishGenealogy website and the National Library of Ireland Catholic register image collection - which have been indexed by FindMyPast and Ancestry.

There were many 'Boot & Shoe Makers' in the towns and cities around Ireland – almost every street had at least one. For example an 1840 Directory of Dublin shows nearly a page in 3 columns of boot and shoe makers in the city.

Extract from 1840 Classification of Trades, Pettigrew & Oulton - Boot & Shoemakers

A quick check of Francis Street listing shows at least three Shoemakers or Boot and Shoe makers

along with a number of associated trades – e.g. Leather Sellers etc

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Thank you Shane.  Those directory images are really helpful.  

rjdkirch

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