Does anyone know where Glounavigne is?

I did a Google on Glounavigne and it was not found.  A few picture were found giving that name but no articles.  There was something that said something about the 6 counties of Northern Ireland so perhaps it is part of one of those counties.

Mary Todd

Thank you Frank and everyone who jumped in! I really appreciate having access to this wealth of knowledge. I have attatched a more usefull picture of the wedding of Michael's son.
Michael

 

 

I also have the birth of Michael's son, picture attatched:

Frank:  you're a star!!! I thought that you would certainly know and was delighted to see your reply with attachment!  
 

Best of luck to you with your research, Michael!!

Hello Michael

 My name is Donie o Sullivan and saw your search for Glounavigue. I have searched for this and I am satisfied that it is not a townland.I looked in townlands for catholic parishes and civil parishes in the mallow area and it is not there.I also looked at the Ordinance Survey maps .The nearest I could find is Gortnagraiga in Mourne Abbey parish but they do not match. When Colby ,O Donovan and Griffith compiled the Ordinance Survey mapping they often included local names that were within proper townland boundaries and this place could be such a place or alternatively it could be the name of the residence of the occupiers but I doubt this when both gave the same address unless it was a significant mansion where both worked and lived in .

I had a good look at the name and it could be interpreted as Glounarigne but still no such townland. The marriage was in Mallow and  I am surprised it was listed as a chapel rather than a church.It is the church for the parish of Mallow and was built in 1818.

Looking at the marriage cert Catherine is listed as Breen in one place and Brien in another,The fact that they got married in Mallow would suggest she was from that parish as weddings ,even then ,were performed in the brides home parish,but if both worked and resided away from home they could have decided to marry locally .

Not much light in this but perhaps it might pose a few queries.I live near Mallow hence my interest in the case.

Regards.Donie

Thank you so much Jim!
It's a delight to discover the origin of the name.
I am so grateful for all the help I am receiving from everyone 'back home'.
Michael

 

 

 

 

Donie back Again

The name bugged me and I did another search for Glounavigne and had a look at Frank Fahys note.I found it this time and as I suspected it was not a townland but the name of a residence or an area within the townland of Knockananig which was in Rahan civil parish.

Sir James Laurence Cotter was the owner of the townland which his ancestor got from Oliver Cromwell as he was an officer in Cromwells army .This also accounts for the title "Sir" as he was made a baronet.

In tithe Applotment Books of c 1830 there were a number of Sullivans leasing land from Cotter ,Daniel,John,Richard and a widow Sullivan.What is most interesting is that there were a Daniel and also a Timothy Breen leasing land in the same townland.I suspect that Catherine was working in Glounavigoe estate ,probably as a domestic servant,and married Richard Sullivan .If she was a Breen then she could be a related  to one of the above Breens

At the time of Griffiths Valuation of c.1850 there were Richard,Patrick,Mary,Julia John and Daniel Sullivans leasing land in Knockananig and it seems the name Richard continued in use. The Richard in 1901 census was a son to Michael and the Kate is most likely Catherine.

I hope there is some useful information this time

Regards Donie

 

 

Donie Again

Michael. I have looked at more records and may have further information that may be of interest to you so i enclose my e mail address as I would prefer to pass this onto you in this way.e mail me at donieosul@gmail.com.

Regards.Donie

Here is the official record from the Placenames Branch of logainm.ie:
"Glounavigue would appear to refer to a glen in the southern part of Knockanannig townland near Monee in the civil parish of Rahan, County Cork. It is not a townland name."

Frank

It is important to the people researching their roots to be able to tie in their ancestors to a location that existed  at that time and lif they visit the area and look for the townland of Glounavige they will not find it. They must know the nproper ame of the townland before locals can direct them to the area. Having located the townland then the area known as Glounavigue can be located with the OSI map even though it may no longer exist.I will check out if it is still there ,but somehow I doubt it.All of the townland was owned by Sir Laurence Cotter and it seems that  Buckley was a sort of middle man and agent for Cotter and many residents were leasing off that family in the 1800's.

Disappointed in your attitude , I am interested only in getting the proper information to the enquirer. I have come across a similar situation where a lady working in a gentlemans residence gave the name of the residence as her home address as that was where she resided at the time of her marriage and I suggested this could be a possibility here also. Cotter did not live in Glounavigue so I guess it could be the residence of Buckley.

Donie

Dear Donie:

As Volunteer Coordinator of the programme and as the person who assists and communicates with all registered volunteers, I am very disappointed with your reply. 

The matter of townland/placename/variation of townland is closed.  Please respect and be considerate of the work that one of our volunteers went to the trouble of doing and sharing with the poster.  

If you have any further remarks, you may direct to me personally at:  jhalloranryan@irelandxo.com

Our programme is volunteer driven and assisted by a wonderful group of individuals who spend their free time in assisting others out of their passion for genealogy and family research.  We are very grateful for their time and commitment to the 30,000 + queries that have come through the message board over the years.  .  The message board is not a forum of opinion, but a place where a question can be asked and replied to.  The question was asked and answered at the 7th thread. 

Kind regards,

Jane 

 

Hi Michael:  I just read your post. My grandfather is John Sullivan born around 1881, his ship passenger record listed his residence as Mallow, Glounavigue. His father is Michael Sullivan from 1 Knockananig, he is listed in the 1901 census. Your grandfather was listed in the 1901 census as living at 7 Knockananig.  I wonder if they are related. The Buckleys lived next to my family. You can write back to me at Christine.Sullivan2@verizon.net.

Hi Michael. I randomly came across this post tonight. I am from Glounavigue which is also more commonly know as Knockanannig today.  My family name is Buckley and they have been in the locale for generations. There were two families named Sullivan.  Feel free to reach out to me at ellenbuckley@hotmail.com 

 

 

 

 

 

Michael, I recently lost my father and had been doing some research on his family when I found your post about Glounavigue. My dad was one of John O'Sullivan's 8 children and was brought up on the family farm in Glounavigue. My Grandad was born on Christmas day 1894 and died in 1968. He is on the census form on your thread as the younger son of Richard and Kate. You have many relatives living in the Killavullen, Rahan and Mallow area. Some inevitably emigrated and are to be found in Canada and in the US also. I would be really interested to hear from you and share our knowledge of the family.
Ps I also saw posts 're he Buckley family. They are really nice people who maintained good friendships with the O'Sullivan family. Tim still lives in Glounavigue and John in Ilford, London. Tim for many decades refused to tamper with the ruin of the O'Sullivan home on his land because generations of O'Sullivan's continued to visit it. Ciaran

Delighted and fascinated to come upon this Where is? question and the ensuing debate over 'place names' versus "townlands".

The post by Frank Fahy of this jpeg file <Glounavigue.png > has me curious without any citation.  I am unable to reproduce it today, mid-December 2021.

No doubt technology has moved on since the initial post in 2019. Today, the offerings of the 'web app viewer'  provided within < https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com  > are splendid and very exciting as both a heritage education and research tool, but also for preparing individual presentations for a particular family, natural features, a region or man-made attributes and industries.

 A walk through for anyone interested:

https://geohive.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=9def898f708b47f19a8d8b7088a100c4

Enter "Killavullen", select from schools, enterprises or the town itself, from roll-down list.  I chose "Killavullen, Mallow, Co.Cork, IRL".  The map centres on the target "Killavullen", with appropriate label.

The left hand (vertical) panel under the 'red coloured symbol' contains many play-tools.  Try the "layers", and select from any one (or multiple) of the offerings, such as: Historic 25" sheet grid; Historics flood plains -1830s; Historic wells 1890s or Aerial view (dated) .  Lots of things to play with and enjoy.

I can see value in this OSI free-online to make your family heritage come alive, by placing their homes, farms and places of work onto a printable map view. The map views range from Historic 1st edition colour, Historic 6" 1st edition b&w,.... to coloured aerial view dated 2005 - 2012.  Each view has its own merit and application.

Being able to view the terrain, the waterways, the distance between the farm and the fair and the chapel/church will enhance our appreciation of the everday life of our ancestors. Obviously screen snips or bit-maps are too easy, and can be used for school projects, or preparing site-seeing tours on foot.  Walk in your ancestors' footsteps! 

The vital layer for most research is National Townlands, which displays the townland borders. A mouse-over to display townland names would be nice, but a simple click within a townland region leads to its name, a click on a fine red line border line, leads to the name of each adjoining national townland.   Killavullen sits within the Ballymacmoy Townland.

Another way to locate a townland is to enter a name-word in the Search for Location box. As noted elsewhere in this series of contributions, there is no National Townland named Glounavigue, according to the premier and long term body of knowledge known as Ordnance Survey Ireland.
 

The usefulness of this OSI (Ordance Survey Ireland) tool is limited only by one's imagination.

 

 

 

 

I had seen Glounavigue marked in the OSI map viewer but searched for it again recently and it is not listed.The OSI did an upgrade recently and have lost Glounavigue..Glounavigue seems to be a postal address  and these were common when the postal service was set up and they often represented important landlord holdings, quarry sites,woodlands,estate names etc. I did see a John O Sullivan with an address in Glounavigue listed as a member of the Mallow Company of the Irish Volunteers who fought in The War of Independence against the Brirish 1919-1921.

Regards

Donie.

I should have mentioned in above reply the value of Griffiths Valuation records of c.1852 where all property was valued for property taxes and the tenant and owners are listed .These records are difficult to follow but if anyone needs a guide i can  supply the basics. These record the head of the household who was responsible for paying the tax.

Another valuable set of records are the Tithe Applotment Books  which were compiled betweeen about 1825-1833 to list landowners who should pay tithes to support the protestant clergy.

Donie

Documents i have seen from my grandfather have also used the slightly different spelling of Gleannavigue, Mallow for his home address. Indeed, we used this spelling on my father's death notice recently.
However, on condolences received from friends of my father living in that area today they have signed their address as Glounavigue (as of October 2021). Ciaran.

My Sullivan ancestors are also from Glounavigue (also Glenavigue). I have Patrick Sullivan, b. 1810, marrying Elizabeth Sullivan, (different Sullivan family) b. 1815 of Fidane. Patrick died 1 Dec 1885 in Gounavigue and Elizabeth died 1 Mar 1875. They had at least five children, Daniel, b. 1841-1901, Patrick, born 1844, Owen, born 1846, John, 1849 and Ellen, 1853. Daniel Sullivan is my ancestor. Daniel Sullivan emigrated to New York City and married his wife Catherine McLoughlin. He died in 1901 in Brooklyn, New York. 

Kate sullivan was daughter of John Burns and Jane Lane buriel grounds Rahan cemetery Kate Sullivan was my great gran aunt may relatives around are Hegarthy and o Mahony