Patrick Kelleher - Margaret Moylan - Johanna Kelleher c. 1800 - 1865

Dear Paddy

Apologies for the very long delay in getting back to you.

You could check first to see if any of the remaining family are mentioned on the Griffith's Valuation. The earlier Valuation Records at the National Archives include the initial work that went into the later Griffith's and can be viewed HERE.

The Revision of this Griffith's information or the Cancelled Books as they were known, are retained in the Valuation Office and are not yet online but if you can make a visit to the Office in Dublin they are very helpful. You can learn more about it HERE.

Sometimes those listed are the family of the first occupants, traced down to the 1960s and sometimes 1970s.

I hope this helps

Best wishes

Clare Doyle

Genealogy Support

 

 

Clare, thank you for your suggestions. I've examined each one; the colored entries in the Cancelled/Revision books was new to me, and may be of help in another ancestor, where I believe I have identified the property where my great grandfather's parents lived (in Ogonnelloe, Clare), so I will pursue that there to see whether I can learn more.

The problem with the Kellehers is that there were, and are, so many of them!  In the 1848 Land Valuation books, there were 47 properties, and in the 1852 Griffith's Valuation there were 51, and for Patrick Kelleher, there were 5.  But, I don't have a way to tie Johanna to those 5, except perhaps that they are all the same person, and I don't have a way to tie others to that Patrick.  Johanna left Ireland in 1863 or 1864, at age 19, so there is a good chance that her father, Patrick, would have been listed, if he was an owner or lessee.

When I visited Macroom in 2007, a found Kellehers everywhere -- three and a half pages of listings in the phone book.

I've searched the records at Mallow, at Cork city library genealogy section, at the National Archives in Dublin, at the Cobh Heritage Centre and the Skibbereen Heritage Centre, all without any findings on Johanna Kelleher or Patrick, or Margaret Moylan.  I visited the genealogy section at the National Archives this past October.  I hired a genealogist in Dublin to do a search several years ago, and commissioned a search at the Clare Heritage Centre in Corofin in 2007, and visited the East Clare Heritage Centre.

So, my best hope, I think, is for some connection in a place like XO Ireland, someone where there is a connection.

Does anyone here know Dr. Kelleher in Macroom.  He's retired, I understand; I figure he knows a lot of Kellehers, and history of Macroom, and I'd like an introduction if possible.

Best,

Patrick

In searching my records, I find this additional information (which I had posted in 2009 in the Ancestry Kelleher message board) from two obituaries of Johanna:

http://www.irelandxo.com/ireland/cork/macroom-cork/message-board/patric…

Obit. Johnanna Kelleher McNamara, 1845 -- 1922, Macroom, Co. Cork

 

Obit. Johnanna Kelleher McNamara, 1845 -- 1922, Macroom, Co. Cork

 

Posted: 8 Feb 2009 10:51PM GMT

Classification: Query

Surnames: Kelleher, Moylan, McNamara

Johanna's obituary appeared in the CORTLAND STANDARD newspaper on May 27, 1922 as follows:

Mrs. Johanna McNamara, aged 77 years, widow of the late Patrick McNamara, died this morning at 5:30 o'clock at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Martin Carroll of 10 Madison Street. Her death was due to heart trouble, her illness covering a period of several months. The deceased was a native of County Cork, Ireland [her tombstone says McRoon County, Cory, Ireland] and was born on June 18, 1845. She was the daughter of Patrick and Margaret Kelleher, being one of a family of seven children.

Mrs. McNamara came to this country when eighteen years of age and has spent the greater part of her life at Center Lisle, Broome County. During the past winter, she has resided with her daughter in this city.

Mrs. McNamara was a member of St. Patrick's Catholic church of Whitney Point. Her husband, the late Patrick McNamara, died at Altona, Illinois, on February 28, 1872.

She is survived by two daughters; Mrs. Martin Carroll of Cortland, and Mrs. William Lusk of Lisle; as well as by one son, Patrick McNamara of Center Lisle, N.Y.

This brief announcement appeared in the LISLE GLEANER newspaper on Thursday, June 1, 1922:

Mrs. Johanna McNamara died Saturday at the home of her daughter Mrs. Carroll of Cortland. The funeral was held Tuesday in Cortland, burial in Whitney Point. Patrick McNamara was called by the death of his mother, Mrs. Johanna McNamara to Cortland.

Any information regarding family connections, or other Kellehers in Macroom would be appreciated.

Hi Paddy

If you get in touch with the people HERE they may know of a more local contact in the Macroom area - I can't see a listing for any heritage society in Macroom.

Best wishes

Clare

Genealogy Support

Thanks Claire,

In 2015 [actually, Oct 2014], I did spend about two hours with the folks at the Cork city library.  They were as helpful as they could be, but unfortunately, no information about my Kellehers was uncovered.

I think my answers must lie with some personal family knowledge among some Kellehers in Macroom, if there any at all to be found.

I'll send a message to the Cork library to see if they have some contacts in Macroom.

 

Best regards,

Patrick

Dear Paddy:

 

I am attempting to make some contact on your behalf with someone from that area.  I will reply to you on this post when I hear back.

 

All the best,

 

Jane.

Thanks Jane.  

I sent email to Cork librarry, but haven't received reply yet (unless you are replying on their behalf).

Regards,

Patrick

Dear Paddy:

 

No, It is not Cork Library, but hopefully you will hear from them.  I'll let you know via this post if I hear anything new for you.

 

Lots and lots of Kellehers in Macroom apparently!

 

All the best,

Jane.

Jane, just to give an update -- I did not receive any reply to my emails to Cork Library two months ago.

Still hoping that you might find someone in Macroom who would be willing to be a contact.

Regards

Patrick

Hi Patrick:

 

Many thanks for your reply and your persistence!

It might be worthwhile to take a look at the Historic Graves site and in particular the area around Macroom to view the headstones.  They may offer information.  You can access the site below:

http://www.historicgraves.com

I have contacted someone else that may have a connection in that area.  When I hear from her, I'll post to you here. 

I hope that the above is agreeable to you.

 

Kind regards,

Jane.