Welch

Before that in the year 1100 it was Waleys. You need to appologize to your brother as you did not do the research back to Philip Welch. He did. and it was not cork as that is in the south and he came from the north of Irland. along the shoreline.

No apology necessary as I have spoken to many Welch's around the USA  that come from the Philip's bloodline and many have traced him to Kinsale and when I was in Ireland I did more research and was told the same and he could have possibly also come from the Baltimore region. 

"It was probably under the contract of September 14, 1653, to supply "three hundred men (of the Irish
nation) above twelve years of age and under fifty, to be found in the country within twenty miles of Cork,
Youghal, Kinsale, Waterford and Wexford, to transport them into New England," that Dell's shipload
was obtained"

"Philip Welch was born about 1643 and was kidnapped and put on Mr. George Dill's ship "Goodfellow". The ship sailed from Kinsale, County Cork in 1654. No ship's log has been found and Mr. Dill died in 1655. His hometown was Rivertown.

This contract was made pursuant to an order of the Council of State, Sept. 6, 1653, upon petition of David Sellick of
Boston N. E. merchant, for license to the Ships “Goodfellow” of Boston, George Dalle, Master, and “Providence” of London, Thomas Swanley, Master, to pass to New England and Virginia, where they intend to carry 400 Irish children ; which was granted on security that they sail to Ireland within two months and transport 400 Irish children to those parts, though the advice of Edward Winslow (then in London) was first asked with regard to the facts in said Sellick's petition. On Oct. 28, 1653, the vessels were licensed to proceed.
(Calendar of State Papers, America and West Indies, 1574- 1660, pp. 407, 408, 410)."
 

Other than heresay what proof do you have that he was from county Kinsale or Baltimore? Land records or church birth records? anything? If someone has traced him to one of those places they should quote the record to support it.

Do you have a copy of anything that supports Kinsale or Baltimore  as his home port or that he or Edward ...His real Irish name before it was changed to Philip, came from either of those places.

Just saying it doesn't make it so. There were a lot of Walshes in those areas in that time period. That is why they were targeted. They were sympathetic to Irland and the English didn't like it when they fought against them. Most of the Walshes that owned land in the early 1600s had their land taken and given to English soldiers in the mid 1600s, They were the political disodents of the day. Which is why they were targeted first. Edward was 11 years old when he was taken, so he probrobly knew little of the reasons why he was taken, other than the ships deree that he had heard about.

all the stuff you posted so far come directly from the book Philip of Ipswich

 

If you alone were the one to trace my family back to Ireland then you should know that there are no birth or death records that predate the 1800's as they all burned in a fire at the national archives.   After spending a considerable amount of time while I was Ireland speaking to  someone at the archives and others around all over Ireland.  It is well known that the men and children that were kidnapped during that time period were mainly catholic.  The catholic population was banned to the southwest/western parts of Ireland by the English as it was a barren land and it was felt that they could not survive there.  I spent a while speaking to the Priest in Kinsale and he verified this information and knew of the story of the young boys being kidnapped. Most were from the Kinsale/Baltimore area as these were the most populated areas at the time where as they were the last sailing ports before heading to America.   Since there are no written records I posted a message on this site to see if anyone in Ireland could  assist me with any more information not to be belitted by my so called family that think that they alone have done all the WORK of finding my family.  .  Until someone can prove different, I will tend to believe the others in my bloodline that have done extensive research and those that I spoke with in Ireland that seemed to really know what they were talking about.  So my suggestion is that you go spend some time in the country and see if you can come up with anything different. Until then you do your research and I will do mine.

 

My issue was with you saying and thinking that you traced your family back to Philip. You did not. I did. with the proof that your supposed to have to prove it true and not just heresay. Your comment about there not being any records after 1800 is just not true. If you had taken just one minute to look at the Geneology that I did you would have seen that I had actual copies of death certificates and other records that are confirmation records. National archive is NOT the only place that records are kept. Just because you've been to Irland doesn't make you an expert by any means. You've already got a bunch of errors in your research...assumptions! that can't or haven't been confirmed. thats what makes it hard for people that do it right. Its not confirmed because someone says it! 

I don't concider you family anyway...you and your sisters made that clear when you decided to go to Irland all together and not invite their only other sibling. That made it real clear.

 

 

 Well maybe you need to get clue because its spelled "Ireland" not irland.  Do you need a dictionary?  I've never considered (correct spelling)   you family either.   So don't worry about it.  I haven't considered Jeff my brother in a very long time.  He has always treated us all like shit why would the 4 of want to spend OUR vacation with someone like that?     You two belong together.   Looking at the the book you gave me I don't see any records (birth certificates/death certificates) that came from IRELAND back in the 1600's.  So you must have withheld information from the rest of us.  The earliest birth record in my book is from my Great Grandfather George.   If you have copies of records from Ireland I know at least 10 other descendents from  Phillips other lines that would love to have these documents because you seem to be the only one in the entire world  that has them.  Oh and his Father's name was Phillip Welch Sr, and his mother's name was Mary.  Phillip SR died at the age of 70 in 1682.  I never said I was and expert that's why I am utilizing the WEB to try and get more information from someone that may have any records.

So how could his fathers name be Philip Sr if Jrs name was Edward when he left Ireland? its just heresay until you can prove it with a record. Its quite presumptous to think I wouldn't have more than what I put in the book I gave you..I spent years doing the geneology of course I have more.

Philip was the name given to him by Samual his slave owner. I have read a lot on line about this and seen others assume the same and also print it as fact and then be proven wrong.

So how could his fathers name be Philip Sr if Jrs name was Edward when he left Ireland? its just heresay until you can prove it with a record. Its quite presumptous to think I wouldn't have more than what I put in the book I gave you..I spent years doing the geneology of course I have more.

Philip was the name given to him by Samual his slave owner. I have read a lot on line about this and seen others assume the same and also print it as fact and then be proven wrong.

So how could his fathers name be Philip Sr if Jrs name was Edward when he left Ireland? its just heresay until you can prove it with a record. Its quite presumptous to think I wouldn't have more than what I put in the book I gave you..I spent years doing the geneology of course I have more.

Philip was the name given to him by Samual his slave owner. I have read a lot on line about this and seen others assume the same and also print it as fact and then be proven wrong.

So how could his fathers name be Philip Sr if Jrs name was Edward when he left Ireland? its just heresay until you can prove it with a record. Its quite presumptous to think I wouldn't have more than what I put in the book I gave you..I spent years doing the geneology of course I have more.

Philip was the name given to him by Samual his slave owner. I have read a lot on line about this and seen others assume the same and also print it as fact and then be proven wrong.

So how could his fathers name be Philip Sr if Jrs name was Edward when he left Ireland? its just heresay until you can prove it with a record. Its quite presumptous to think I wouldn't have more than what I put in the book I gave you..I spent years doing the geneology of course I have more.

Philip was the name given to him by Samual his slave owner. I have read a lot on line about this and seen others assume the same and also print it as fact and then be proven wrong.

PHILIP WELCH (SR.) (1612 – c. 1682)

 

In 1612 PHILIP WELCH (SR.) was born in Northern Ireland. PHILIP’s parents are unknown.

1638 (before 16 September): MARRIAGE OF PHILIP (SR.) AND MARY (maiden name unknown)

Before 16 September 1638 PHILIP (SR.) married Mary (maiden name unknown) – probably in Northern Ireland. PHILIP (SR.) and Mary had at least one child:

1. PHILIP (JR.) (b. 16 September 1638)

1649 (about): SON KIDNAPPED

Philip (Jr.) was barely eleven years of age when he was snatched from his bed in a quiet seaside home, rushed in the darkness along a road and forcibly carried on board a waiting vessel (George Dill’s ship Goodfellow) where other young youths in similar plight were already imprisoned. The master of the ship continued his nefarious kidnapping until the countryside awakened to the knowledge of his infamous deeds and arose in wrath. The master, fleeing from their just and righteous anger, set said so hurriedly that he was forces to leave some of his provisions and precious water casks behind him.

1682: DEATH OF PHILIP (SR.)

PHILIP (JR.) Welch is Edward Welch (his first name was changed by Samuel Symonds

 by Alexander McMillan Welch 1947, p.15-16. The William Byrd Press, Inc., Richmond, Virginia. 929.2 Welch 1947, Allen County Library, Ft. Wayne, Indiana.

Are you afraid to share all the information?   Why in hell would withhold information when there are  many people that are searching for it..  If you have documents  from Ireland that no one else has ever discovered  that supports different information you should stop being so selfish and  do the right thing and share it.   If you don't share it then they don't exist..    So until you are willing to share  Philip or  Edward's,   if thats what you claim, birth certificate from Ireland it doesn't exist..   Most people would be willing to share their work so others would be privy to their family history after all isn't that why one looks into their ancestory?  To see where one comes from and connect with other family members.usually is the goal.  If  only one person in the world has that info, and isn;t willing to share where it came from  that is just downright selfish.    The churches and national archives in Ireland are begging for Irish descendants to provide them with documents so they can piece their history together.    So stand up and do the right thing and at least provide them with their lost documents if you indeed are withholding them.

 

anything new since 2013 regarding Philip Welch?

I have found through DNA to be connected to Phillip Welch. My ancestor being William Walsh born 1820 son of Patrick Walsh mother unknown. In Kinsale Cork.  Anyone wish to make contact please rest assured I am very interested.

 

 

Hello everyone, my name is Brandon Welch and I'm currently doing a family history project at my university. As I was going back on my family I came across Philip Welch Jr. As of right now I was told I was the last known Welch in my family. If someone could give me anymore information on that I would greatly appreciate it. 

 

 

 

 

Hello everybody,

 

Philip Welch of whom we're referring to, was my greatx8 grandfather. I have the Welch/Welsh families history until approximately 1520. 

I have lots of information if any of you are interested, I am very interested in figuring out your guys' descendants as well. 

I am currently living in Canada. The Welch/Welsh side of my family came to Canada around approximately 1800 or so. Our family has been in North America (Philip, indentured servant/slave) since 1654. If you want to contact me personally, my email is lucasvwelsh@gmail.com

Hello. Does anyone know if Philip Welch Jr. that was born in 1638 reconnected with his parents - Philip and Mary Welch in Ireland? Just curious if there were letters sent or if they were able to reconnect after Philip Jr's kidnapping and then release. Thanks. 

Hi, I am still looking for William Walsh born around 1819   KINSALE.  son of Patrick & ?

moved to London pre 1841 married Bridget  Foley from Limerick there 1841

 

Children, Patrick William

Mary Ann

John

Daniel 

Ellen