Ireland XO
Back to Message Board

James Long/Margaret Leary information - Inchigeelagh

CorkInchigeelagh (Cork)

My great-grandfather Thomas Long was baptized at Inchigeelagh on October 17, 1833. Thanks to the on-line records, I was able to confirm his father James (aka Latin 'Jacobus') and mother Margaret (aka 'Peggy' and Latin 'Margaritta') were married at the Inchigeelagh Church Feb 13, 1820, with 'location' given as Inchineill. Their children were:

- Patrick, christened Mar 1 1821, Inchineill (sponsors Thomas Long, Narry Mahoney)

- Margaret christened Feb 13, 1825 Inchineill (sponsors Jeremiah Long, Mary Connell)

- Nora christened Aug 9, 1830 Teeranassig (sponsors Michael Murphy, Nora Long)

- Thomas christened Oct 17, 1833 Teeranassig (sponsors Cornelius Connell, Ellen Leary)

- Hannah christened Nov 26, 1835 Teeranassig (sponsors Michael Connell, ? Leary)

- Mary christened July 18, 1839 Teeranassig (sponsors Edmund Leary, Cath. Foley)

Great-grandfather Thomas emigrated to Canada in 1850. I've looked through every set of records I can find, but am unable to find the death/burial records of James and Margaret, nor their parents. There are 'many' records with the name in Griffith's Valuation and Tithe Applotments, but none in Teeranassig (which seems to be halfway between Inchigeelagh and Kilmichael parishes, possibly they moved after 1839?). I will be visiting the area in August 2017, and would dearly love to find their graves, and more information about them. Regards, Debbie Frizzell

difrizzell@hot…

9 replies

As was the case in many other Catholic Parishes, Inchigeelagh / Ivleary did not keep death/burial records so if your James and Margaret snr. died before the start of civil registration of deaths in 1864 there would be no record of death or burial. There could possibly be a headstone, but many people could not afford one.

The BMD Index shows a death of a James Long in Macroom registration district (the district which covered Inchigeelagh) in 1872, possibly about the right age as his estimated year of birth is 1795 and this might be worth following up on by ordering a research cert from the GRO if he's not one you have already checked out ...

There is also a death of a Margaret Long just two years before James in 1870, but if her reported age is accurate she would be a little too young...

Not everyone is included in Tithe records, so it's possible that the family were in Teeranassig at the time, but did not hold eligible land.

p.s. there's a graveyard beside St. Finbar's Catholic church in Inchigeelagh, that's worth investigating when you visit.. see the c1890 OSI map and on Google StreetView   and there appears to be an old burial ground in Teeranassig townland, it's shown as disused on later maps. see c1840 OSI map and this should be at about the same spot on Streetview - if that's correct, then it's long overgrown

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

Many thanks! Neither of those records appear at irishgenealogy.ie, which is strange perhaps a mis-spelling or transcribing error. I will pursue that with GRO. I should have mentioned in first post that the witnesses at James and Margaret's marriage were Patrick Long and Daniel Leary (as well as a Thomas Long sponsoring their child - could very well be a brother to James). I'll be spending several days in Dublin before going to Cork, and will be visiting the Archives there as well.

And thank you for the map - Are you from the area? I am trying to find out the current owner of the land in order to get permission to explore it (Teeranassig wasn't a very big place). I can see a fairly large farm on google earth.

I appreciate the information, and quick response .... Cheers, Debbie

difrizzell@hot…

Both of those deaths showed up fine for me on the IrishGenealogy website ( James & Margaret ) not sure why they didn't show up for your search. The GRO are planning to add further images for records, so might be worth watching out for that, as it would save you a few Euro ordering research certs, and allow you to check into other possibly related deaths. Images for deaths on the GRO/IrishGenealogy website currently only go back to 1891.

I'm not from the area but do have relations through cousins from Inchigeelagh, so reasonably familiar with the location.

The townland index and OSI map shows Teeranassig is just over 294 acres with 12 properties, two of these are large over 100 acres, those of a  Silvester Cotter and a Timothy Carthy, another medium of 40 of a Lewis Gollock, the remainder all small at less than an acre, described as 'house & garden',so possibly cottages for farm labourers.

I dont see any James Long in the parish at the time of Griffith's (1852 for this area), which could mean he had died, moved away or possibly emigrated around the same time as Thomas (?) , but If you know which townland any of your Long family lived the you could trace their properties forward by visiting the Valuation Office on Lower Abbey Street, in Dublin city, they hold the Cancelled Land Books aka Revision books which cover details of occupants and owners of property forward from the time of Griffith's Primary Valuation up to around the abolition of domestic rates in the 1970s.

 

shanew147IrelandXO Volunteer

I've checked the valuation records online, and there are approximately 60 James Longs listed from 1848-1852, but none in Teeranassig. My great-grandfather was the only one to emigrate, at least to Canada (his brother Patrick may have emigrated to England). There were several Long families in Kilmichael -not surprising as Teeranassig townland borders Kilmichael Parish. It's a bit of a mystery and, as you say, James and Margaret may be buried in an unmarked grave somewhere. I will definitely check the old cemeteries in the area when I am there, and find what I can in Dublin beforehand. I will also check irishgenealogy.ie again - odd that I didn't see the records when I first searched.

Again, thank you for your responses - Cheers, Debbie

difrizzell@hot…

Debbie, I think we are related, but my facts don't match yours exactly.  I am descended from Margaret Long, baptism date 13 Feb 1825, daughter of James LONG and Mary LEARY, according to the record I found on Ancestry (from Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911).  I have also located a record for Patrick LONG, baptised 1 Mar 1821, M 20 Dec 1849 Elizabeth GALLAGHER b 1830. Margaret LONG married John LEE, had 2 sons, and then the family emigrated to New Haven, Connecticut.  Barbara Scholz

 

bascholzrn@gmail.com

Well, Barbara, just when I was about to give up hope of finding any additional information! I will look for Patrick and Margaret Long marriage records on Ancestry with the information you've provided.Do you happen to know anything about James/Margaret (I believe the marriage record may have been mis-transcribed as 'Mary' - in the original record, it looks to be abbreviated as 'Margta' or 'Margt'). I'll try to upload the original church record copy - it's 3rd entry from the bottom and difficult to read.

I am very interested in any information you might have - am heading to Belfast in a couple of days, then to Dublin August 8. I will be going to National Library and Archives, hoping to find more information.

I also have the original baptism records of the children listed in a previoius posting, and the dates of the Patrick and Margaret you mentioned match what I have. Regards, Debbie

difrizzell@hot…

Barbara, I found the birth records again on Ancestry - but no luck with either marriage record. Could you point me in the right direction for them (dates, locations)? thanks! Debbie

difrizzell@hot…

I have Patrick marrying Elizabeth Gallagher (b 1830) on 20 Dec 1849; my best guess on Margaret (b 1825) is she married John Lee sometime around 1845- 1849; she and John Lee have two sons, Michael b around 1850; and Edward b around 1851. I believe they were born in Ireland.  They show up in New Haven, Connecticut in 1853.  I have found birth records for subsequent children born in Connnecticut, but no records of Michael or Edward anywhere in the US, leading me to believe they were born in Ireland before the emigration.

Have you tested your DNA?  If so, have you uploaded to Ancestry, Gedmatch, or FTDNA?  Mine is in all 3 places.  If so, we could look at see if we are a match, and we'd know if we are on the right track.

Barbara

bascholzrn@gmail.com

Thanks Barbara..... No, I haven't done a DNA test..... I will have to think about that when I get home

difrizzell@hot…

Reply

Reply
One image file up to 2 MB.