Clonpriest Ancestors

Thank You Anne for passing my information on. I do have some first names for my Flavin family.

James Flavin born 1829 Clonpriest parish  had brothers William and Dennis Flavin. They all were the sons of James Flavin born 1797 Clonpriest parish.There are more names because  JamesFlavin born 1829 had 9 siblings.  

Thank You Very Much Anne!

 

Chearl

memesw@msn.com

Hi Chearl,

My GGGreat Grand Father was Callaghan 'Cal' Flavin of Clonard and his wife was Catherine McCarthy of Park.

They had 5 daughters Ellen who married John Kirk, Gortroe, Catherine 'Kate' who married Michael Keane, Ferrypoint, Norah 'Nellie' who married Michael Power, Shanagarry North, Hannah who married John T.Hennessey, Ballymakeigh, Mary who married John Roger Motherway, Ballycrenane, and 3 sons, Edmund 'Ned' who married Jane Walsh, Coolcap, they moved to Clashadonna, Thomas 'Tom' who married Mary Walsh, they remained in Clonard and John who married ?Ellie Aherne, they moved to Mogeely. I believe that Callaghan 'Cal's' Father was William Flavin.

I have attached a link to my Flavin/Kirk family below -

https://www.myheritage.com/person-1000010_149740161_149740161/callaghan…

I can add you as a member if you would like.

Kind regards,

Ann

Hi Chearl,  Looking back to Tithe Applotments 1833 a James ,Wm, Denis, Edm, Michael and John Flavin all held land in Clonard East. A Thos. later Callaghan Flavin and a Wm held lands in Clonard West. 

In Griffith 1850 A Wm Flavin held a 79 acres in Pillmore. Townland adjacent to Clonard East.

If you look at 1901 Census for Pillmore same Holding a Ml. Flavin had brother James 59 also son James . This Flavin family appears to have carried James down the generations. This holding is no longer in the Flavin name a Wm being the last.

The Hydes also lived in Clonard East.  Im married to a decendant of Callaghan Flavin. 

Hello,

I want to thank you for the information on the Flavins. I think Callaghan Flavin and my James Flavin born 1797 maybe brothers. The parents of James Flavin born 1797 were William  Flavin (born prob. abt. 1780 and Eliza.  James Flavin born 1797 married a Margaret/Peggy McCarty (McCarthy) and they had several children. At least 3 of their sons (James Jr.,Dennis and William) went to Vermont. James Flavin born 1797 (and died 1887 Vermont) went to Vermont after his wife died.Do you know of any siblings for your Callaghan Flavin? 

I do not know much about my Hyde ancestors only that Catherine Hyde married a Thomas Stack.

Hi Chearl, if you look at the Tithe Applotment 1833  info I gave you there was 6 seperate households of Flavins in Clonard East, and 2 seperate households of Flavins in Clonard West. What relation they were to each other is impossible to say but the 6 Flavin holdings in Clonard East were probably the one farm divided back a generation or 2 from 1833. 

If you. Google  Clonpriest Graveyard historic Graves. Page 8 you will see some Flavin headstones all together indicating same extended family. You can see 2 Mc Carthy ladies married Flavins.  See a Mgt Mc Carthy was married to Wm around your timeline . Is it possible your James father was actually Wm.?

Callaghan was born 1815 but was Clonard west . James was in Clonard East 1833. I still think the Pillmore Flavins would be nearest related to you as they carried first name James down generations  to 1901 census . 

Hi Chearl, I dont have any siblings of Callaghan Flavin b1815 on record. If you google Clonpriest Graveyard go to historic records on page 8 you will see a few Flavin headstones. See record 183 a Margaret Flavin nee McCarthy died 1840 age65 yrs. Is this your Mgt?  

In Griffith valuation the James Flavin holding   in Clonard East is plot 2 .  Hydes was plot 1 .   O Neill married into that Flavin holding. Hydes lived there until 30yrs ago. Both homesteads are still occupied.  

Hello, I want to thank you for telling me about the historic Clonpriest graveyard,and how to check out the Flavin graves. I am uncertain if Margaret (McCarthy) Flavin is my ancestor. I only say this because of her age being 65 yrs in 1840. I think my Margaret (McCarthy) Flavin would of been around 40 to 43 years old in 1840. Her last child with James Flavin was Denis Flavin born 1840 and bapt. 1840. I found a bapt. record for Denis Flavin being bapt.1 Feb 1840  in Youghal,Cloyne,Cork and his parents were James Flavin and Mary McCarthy,and sponsers were William Flavin and Catherine Flavin. There was a Rev.M. Sheehan at top of page,but the celebrants initials were given as P.W. (not sure if it was a W ,but my best guess). 

( I also did notice that Margaret was called Mary in the record,but I have also seen her called Peg or Peggy too.)

I should check out Grifith Valuation too as it seems like there are some clues there too! I often wondered if some of my ancestors resided near each other. It is also interesting that the homesteads are still occupied even if it is by strangers or descendants of the early occupiers.

I know little about my Hyde ancestors only that one was named Catherine Hyde and married Thomas Stack. Of course I am always wanting to find out more!!!

Thanks again for all the information!

Cheryl G. Williams  of Florida

Hello, I forgot to mention that on Denis Flavin's bapt. record parents residence was given as Clonpriest.

Also James Flavin and Margaret Peggy McCarthy were married 1818 in Youghal Parish,Cloyne Diocese,Youghal,Co Cork.

The first child I have for them was a William born 1821. There may of been an earlier child ,but I could not find a record of one.

 

Cheryl G. Williams

Hi Chearl, yes it is most likely the 6 Flavin households in Clonard East in 1833 were all near related, they also being related to the 2 Flavin households in Clonard West. When a son married the holdings  would be sub divided.  

The Stacks holding was in Redbarn directly across the road from Hydes and James Flavins.  So you can see our ancestors didnt ever travel too far to get a partner. The Quality Hotel Redbarn Youghal is now built on part of Stacks holding. The original homestead is also intact being owned by a family called Langtry in the last century. All the holdings are bordered by a lovely sandy beach 2 miles long. Well worth a visit if you ever come to Ireland. Regards..

Hello, Oh the Redbarn land sounds very nice! A beach nearby !!! Yes I think you are right it would be worth a visit! 

I did not realize just how close the Hyde,Stack and Flavin famlies lived. I often wondered also about the Clonard East and Clonard West. 

My mother (maiden name Flavin) went to Ireland twice with her sister  back in the late 1980s.. The first trip they took was a tour all around Ireland. That is when they went to Cork. I do not think they went to Redbarn or Clonard. The second trip they rented a cottage and car in Co. Kerry. I am still not sure they went to Co Cork. I will have to ask my mom about that though. 

 

It has been nice corresponding with you! I want to thank you for all the information you have provided me with!

 

Cheryl G. Williams 

of Florida

Hi Chearl, you are welcome. Just one more record. Church census 1766 Clonpriest. You had 3 Flavin households then a William, Thomas, and a Philip.. This had expanded to 8 Flavin  households by 1833. The Wm and Thomas tie in with the Old gravestones. You also had a John Hyde and a John Stack recorded. Regards. 

Hello Will,

Thank you very much for this information from 1766 Church census. I did not realize there were 3 Flavin famlies in 1766 who resided (went to church) in Clonpriest. Yes they do seem to coordinate with the old headstones don't they. I will have to try to figure out which Flavin household my William Flavin was descended from. Possibly William Flavin from 1766,but I think either Flavin family could be the right one.It is also interesting that by 1833 there were 8 households for Flavin. 

I also am very interested in the Hyde (John) and Stack (John) family that were recorded in the 1766 Church census. One or both of these could be my ancestor. 

Will this is very interesting to me! Again I want to thank you for all the information you have shared with me! 

Cheryl Gauthier Williams

of Florida

Cheryl,

I came across this today

The late Michael Stack, Redbarn Youghal - Dungarvan Observer - April 4th 1930 and thought it woudl be of interest to you.

Kind regards,

Ann

Hello Ann,

I want to thank you for the newspaper article on Michael Stack! I found it very very interesting! Was surprised at how much information the article ad in it! Michael Stack must have been a man to be reckoned with and never trifled with! I love how he stood his ground and showed great fortitude even when the odds were against him, and ultimately prevailed! 

 

Again thank you Ann!

 

Cheryl G.Williams

Of Tampa Bay,Florida

My pleasure Cheryl,

He sure sounded like a very courageous man who stood up for himself and his family against his Landlord and their bully tactics, back then life wasn't easy and was very dangerous.

I have some info on the Langtry line, I believe there is a Langtry man still alive and there are relative of his sister Mrs Langtry also still alive, once I find out more I will get back to you.

Not sure if you are on Facebook but there is a FB page - Clonpriest Graveyard [ Reaching Out Diaspora ], which has pictures of the gravestones of the local area including Redbarn, Clonard etc.

Have you had your DNA analysed as I am related to the Flavins Clonard, Coolaha etc and to the McCarthy side. I had received mine recently on the 'My heritage' website, it would be interesting to see if we were a match.

Best wishes,

Ann

Hello Ann,   Thank you for the interesting article which included Callaghan Flavin, and may I say just how simply unfair and horrid I found what the Landlords did to their tenants! I must agree with you that life was very hard back then even when one worked hard it all could be taken away by a selfish Landlord!

 

Oh yes, I would love to find out more on Langtry line! I am always busy working on my Cork ancestors and related families!

 

I did have DNA done last year at Ancestry and FTDNA. I will have to check out Heritage DNA, I think I may of uploaded DNA to them but never could navigate the site properly. I will check this out again! With FTDNA I can look at just which Chromosome I have in common with my matches and exactly what segments match.! It would be very interesting. I also did Ged Match, but really never found much there so far! I do like the idea of exploring our DNA connections!

 

Take Care and I am writing from a chilly Florida (in the 40's Fahrenheit this morning).

 

Thanks Again Ann!

Cheryl G. Williams

of Tampa Bay Florida

 

Hello Ann, Forgot to also thank you for the information on Clonpriest Graveyard being on Facebook. I do not do Facebook but have a friend who does, so may ask to check it out on their Facebook! I am not much for social media, but I guess it does offer some perks I never thought about! 

 

 

Thanks again!

Cheryl G. Williams

of Tampa Bay Florida

Hello Ann, I just figured out what I did wrong at MY Heritage DNA (uploaded an unsupported DNA file). Just now Uploaded a supported DNA file and it will be ready within 7 days or so. Then we shall see just where our DNA matches and further assist us in discovering our Cousin link!

 

Have a Great Day Ann!

 

Cheryl G. Williams 

of Tampa Bay Florida

Hi Cheryl,
Great idea as I also have my DNA results from 'My Heritage' and hopefully we will have a match as we both have Flavin and McCarthy relations!!!
Also upload the raw DNA onto Gedmatch which brings up more matches.
If you manage to get onto Facebook there is a group named 'The Irish DNA Registry' which has a Matchbox Tool.

Once you have your Gedmatch results upload them onto the Matchbox tool and it brings up your matches and these are people who have joined the FB group. Tag their names and they will message you to discuss how you and them are related.
This is well worth doing.
My name is Áine Smíst on Facebook, whcih is my Irish name, so if you woudl like to message me on there, feel free and I will gladly give you my Gedmatch Kit numer so you can chek if we are matches, all very exciting!!!
Good luck, keep in touch.
Best wishes,
Ann

Cheryl,

I found this on my family tree, I'm wondering if James Hyde is related to your Hydes.

94. i. Catherine (Katie) SMIDDY, b. 1889, U.S.A. RIP Churchland, Ballymacoda, June 25th

1961.

She married James HYDE, 1915, b. c 1881, RIP Churchland, Ballymacoda, Dec. 21st 1961.

Ballymacoda. James: Ballymacoda.

Their son John HYDE b. 1918 approx. RIP March 3rd 2006 aged 88yrs.

Regards,

Ann

Hello Ann,  I agree we should have a match on MyHeritage DNA. I will get my kit number for you from Gedmatch, I have not gone there in a while. Thank you for telling me about Facebook having an Irish DNA site with a Matchbox tool 

Yes, I will have to check out my Hyde family and see what I have on them, but I think I do not have too much on them. The Hyde family seems to be my hardest line I have in Cork. 

For my Irish heritage, I will tell you, my mother descends from all Irish families. Two of my mom's grandparents were born in Ireland and the other two's parents were born in Ireland. My Cork lines from my mom were Flavin, Stack, McCarty(McCarthy)  and Hyde. I also have Co Kerry lines from her, O'Connor and Falvey. I have Flynn in Co. Roscommon and Boylan (Boylen) from Co Monaghan and Tracy from Co Kildare and Kieran from Co Cavan.  My dad has a few Irish lines too.

Well take care Ann, and I am sure we must be cousins and here's hoping the DNA proves this out for us!

Cheryl Gauthier Williams