Hourihane/Sullivan

I am the grandson of Hanorah Hourihane Monroe which would mean that John (your father) would have been mhy great uncle....

We have been trying to find Anne's gravesite... we believe it may be in Uxbridge Mass....  My father never knew that his grandmother had come to the United States but just before she died my grandmother said one day "I think my mother is buried in Uxbridge!"

 

Charles Monroe

I'm so excited to find a relative.    I can send you a photo and give you the exact section etc. that she is buried in in Saint Mary's Cemetery in Uxbridge.   i only found it last year because Jimmy Hourihan (Uncle Con's son) said in a letter to my Mother that she was buried there near his brother Bill.   My Mom never knew she came over either and she had died before I got into ancestry.   I contacted the Cemetery and the groundkeeper didn't have her listed but when I told him the info I had he searched the section where Bill Hourihan was buried and found her grave.   She's buried with her daughter Ellen and she was in the 1920 census listed living with her married daughter Margaret McNamara.    If you send me your email address I will send you the photo and I would love to talk to you.   I live in Salem, NH and go to Dudley, Ma to visit my siblings often.   Are you in the Worcester area?   I went to a couple of Hourihane reunions years ago, one in Auburn and one at Father Monroe's parish in Worcester, were you at those?     I got my Irish Foreign Birth Registration through my Grandfather, John Hourihane and I've applied for my Irish Passport.
Looking forward to hearing from you.   If you reply via email it might be easier to share the info.

 

Hi, I found this site after being contacted by Susan Barretta.  Her uncle, Denis Collins (County Cork, Ireland), and my father, Thomas Jackson Sullivan (Savannah, Georgia, USA), have matching DNA via the autosomal (Family Finder) DNA test!  I explained to her that my great grandfather, Michael Sullivan, was born about 1847, in Ireland, we presume. He and his brother, Jeremiah, were in the Catholic Orphan Asylum in Savannah, Georgia (USA) in the 1860 Census (Michael, age 13; Jeremiah, age 11).  I do not know the circumstances of how the boys came to be in the orphan home. Family lore says that Michael was born in Ireland; his brother on board ship or shortly after arriving in the US. They had left Ireland because of the famine.  Family lore says their mother died in a yellow fever epidemic and the father left to go to war (American Civil War);  however, the war did not start until 1861 !   I suspect, that if the mother did die when her sons were young, the father put them in the home so he could work- they would be looked after and educated. My grandfather said his father NEVER talked about when he was young- and never mentioned his parents' names!!  My grandfather was named for his uncle; but, he never knew an Uncle Jeremiah- or mentioned any Sullivan cousins.  He also never mentioned knowing HIS grandfather; I don't know what happened to Michael and Jeremiah's father!  (I found where a Jeremiah Sullivan fell into the Savannah River and drowned, as a young man, in the 1870s. I can't PROVE he was MY Jeremiah Sullivan.)  My great grandfather did grow up, marry and had five sons and one daughter.  The records that Susan sent me indicated that a Michael Sullivan, of Cloghane More, was born to Denis Sullivan and Eliza Hourihan(e) in 1847, in Caheragh Parish.  Denis Sullivan and Eliza Hourihan were married in the same parish, in 1846.  Eliza's birth record says her parents were Morty Hourihan and Joa (Johanna?) Burtchil.  Eliza was born in either 1831 (Susan's interpretation) or 1821 (my interpretation)!  I would like to try to trace Denis Sullivan and Eliza Hourihan, parents of Michael Sullivan.  IF they remained in Ireland, they can't be MY Sullivans.  However, since there IS a DNA match between Denis Collins and my (Sullivan) father, there MUST be a connection via the Hourihan line- possibly through another Hourihan/Sullivan couple!!!    I hope I explained all this where it is understandable!  If anyone out there can shed any light on this Denis Sullivan/Eliza Hourihan couple, please comment!!  I also had my father's Y-DNA done. The results show him and eight other Sullivan males (out of 104 tested) with almost identical DNA- and, in one particular "column", those men match and no one else (of the 104) does!  I was told this indicated a "Spanish connection"!  I contacted all of the close matches.  Most were in the US, and in the New England area.  One match lives in England. He can go back as far as a Patrick Sullivan, in Ireland in 1824.  This man is a "dead ringer" for my grandfather's oldest brother!!!  We could not determine a common ancestor, though- yet!

I have a little insight on a Sullivan / Hourihane marriage, but not much. But it may help someone. My great grandfather, David H. O'Brien, went back to Clohane More and Bawnshal in the 1950's to visit (Hourihane) relatives and obtain some genealogy information. His diary has a sketch (attached) that shows his grandfather Bartholomew's brother Mick lived in Milleennahorna (just adjacent to Clohane More or Bawnishal) and had two daughters, one of whom married a Sullivan. The Bart. at the top and the Bart (married cousin) Mary below are the same, my ggfather just added detail in a sloppy way to his branch. 

Dear Eaton3000,

Although I'm not related to these Hourihane's, the Owen at the head of the sketch is likely Owen Greasaí who married Mary McCarthy and had 7, possibly 8, children in Cloghane More. This would lead to the 'married cousins' being Ellen Hourihane (bap. 14/11/1858) or Bawnishal and William Coughlan (bap. 30/11/1871) of Coolnagarrane. They had two children Mary Catherine 'Kate' and Daniel Bartholomew 'Barty'. If so, your grandfather may be more accurate than assumed... Might you have any idea how they were related? Might it be through the McCarthy's of Lissalohorig as 2nd cousins?

Regards

Jerry

Hello Jerry,

Thanks for your reply. I am fairly confident the chart itself is correct. It's whether I'm interpreting it correctly that's the issue!

Yes, I believe the Owen at the head of the sketch is the son of Eoghan a’ Gréasai' Ó hAnnracháin, based on a letter my cousin Maureen received from our mutual distant cousin, Eoghan Ó h'Annracháin, who now lives in Luxembourg and is descended from Eoghan a’ Gréasai' via his son John (18230-1860) ---> Eoghan ---> Patrick ---> Eoghan.

I am descended this way: Eoghan a’ Gréasai' ---> Eoghan (person at top of my chart) ---> Bartholomew (1818-1893) ---> Catherine (m. James J. O'Brien) ---> David H. O'Brien (emig. to USA) ---> Catherine D. O'Brien (married James W. Phelan) ---> Mary Cathleen Phelan (married James C. Lawless) ---> me.

It's interesting that the cousins who married might be Ellen Hourihane and Bill Coughlan, I hadn't considered that. I assumed my ggrandfather was referring to Bartholomew Hourihane and Mary, his wife, as one of their children's birth records list the mother as Mary Hourihane. I've mostly seen maiden names listed in this spot, so I assumed Hourihane was her maiden name, although of course she could have given her married name at the time.

How do you get to the conclusion that William Coughlan was from Coolnagarrane? I've gotten nowhere definitive trying to trace him. I do have Mary Kate and Dan B. in my tree. As Ellen (their mother) was my great grandfather's aunt, and he refers to her as if he knew her personally, and he spent some time on his grandfather's farm as a child according to his diary, I'm confident of this connection.

The McCarthys I have in my tree are, of course, Mary, who married Eoghan a’ Gréasai', and Peig McCarthy na Samhna of Dromore, who married John (1823-1860) and then Batt Hegarty after that., moving back to Dromore. I don't know much about the McCarthy family other than that.

Finally, I'll attach an excerpt from my cousin in Luxembourg that explains this and some other stuff. 

Regards,

Rose

 

Error in my prior post (sorry). The person "Eoghan (person at the top of my chart) does not exist. I got confused for a moment there. The person at the top of my chart in my descendant list is Eoghan a’ Gréasai' and my ancestry goes like this: Eoghan a’ Gréasai' (person at top of my chart) ---> Bartholomew (1818-1893) ---> Catherine (m. James J. O'Brien) ---> David H. O'Brien (emig. to USA) ---> Catherine D. O'Brien (married James W. Phelan) ---> Mary Cathleen Phelan (married James C. Lawless) ---> me.

Hi Rose,

Thanks. That William Coughlan of Coolnagarrane and Ellen Hourihane of Bawnishal married, is a theory until validated. Their second son Daniel Bartholomew 'Barty' has a Hourihane mother on his birth register. A marriage registered in Skibbereen in Jun Q 1895 is a possible candidate to check, supported by that William being married for 15 years in the 1911 census...

Regards

Jerry

Hello all! My great grandmother, Mary O’Brien Collins, was born in Kilmacabea about 1848 to Patrick “O’Brien” and Catherine Hayes. However, my cousins from this line told me that Patrick, born about 1818, was actually Patrick Hourihane, and changed the family surname to avoid debt prior to coming to the US about 1870.  Patrick and Catherine had the following children: Mary (1846) Thomas (1855) Bartholomew (1859) Patrick Jr (1860) Catherine (1863) Julia (Judith?) 1865 and Ellen (1869). I never found 1 church record for this family in County Cork, however I recently found a marriage record for Patrick Hourihane and Catherine Hayes in Kilmacabea, and baptismal records for ALL of their children with the surname Hourihane in Kilmacabea, with the exception of Mary, my great grandmother. The marriage of Patrick and Catherine was in 1851 5 years after my great grandmother’s birth. I have a DNA match for a full 2nd cousin the grandson of Catherine, Mary’s sister, so I know Patrick and Catherine were her parents. Maybe she was born out of wedlock. I feel Patrick O’Brien (Hourihane) was born in Clonane More. I do have distant DNA matches with the surname Hourihane. Does this make sense? Is anyone here familiar with this Hourihane branch. Attached is the picture of a locket with Patrick and Catherine O’Brien (Hourihane). Hope someone can help. 

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