Dear Patty
Sorry I wasnt able to complete all the information that i was going to share with you the other day.
Before to place the following information into correct balance, in your above initial paragraph, you stated that John Hickey was born in 1812, is this based on a death certificate or some other source document? When did John Storen migrate from Ireland?
In decoding family patterns there is a usual pattern, not hard and fast but it gives you some clues what to look for and string together.
IRISH Naming Traditions:
1st son - father's father
2nd son- mother's mother
3rd son - father
4th son - father's oldest brother
5th son - father's oldest brother or mother's oldest brother.
1st daughter- mother's mother
2nd daughter - father's mother
3rd daughter - mother
4th daughter - mother's oldest sister
5th daughter - mother's 2nd oldest sister of father's oldest sister.
The pattern of 4th & 5th sons might be interrupted to name a son for a favourite saint, and at all time the pattern might be interrupted to name a succesive son after an older son who might have died.
# Tasmanian Ancestry magazine September 1998 (as sighted in Hocking Family History)
HICKEY and STOREN - FARMING PARTNERSHIPS:
In answering your question from regarding the parents of Hickey:
After the 1800's the Catholic church placed surrounding grounds up for tentiture, the Landlords were based at County Limerick, there is a close relationship between the tenants and their landlords (off topic, S. Kierse).
In my experience in balancing a correct balance to the Griffith Valuation Records, Tithe Records, my Quinlivan families had multiple holdings within the Killaloe Parish, it appears they were all over the place as they had many difference crops in many different areas. In the Killaloe Parish was such a very small community townships all the family groups new each other's family.At first glance there appears to be multiple say like my Daniel Quinlivan and in fact if you narrow it down it is limited to perhaps, two the elderly father and possibly the son or they are the same person. This is supported by the overall Baptism and Marriage Registers, residential movements.
According to Land & People of Killaloe Parish (2008); by Sean Kierse p.92,
"The following Lackareagh tenants registered as forty-shilling freeholders in the 1820's. James and Conor Hogan of Lackareagh Beg, registered on 11.5.1824 for the lives of Tim Hickey, John Storen and James Browne."
p.323, Kierse, talks about the township of O'Briensbridge - July 1829:
Men in farming partnership:
- John Storen, Acres 2 ...
- Michael Barry, Thomas Quinlivan & Michael Storen, Arces: 21 a 2 r 0 p: ...
- Michael Hickey, Acres: 7
- Ned Quinlivan, Acres: 4
- John Storen & Thomas Tucker, Acres: 7
- Matthew Storen, Acres 2
But by Griffith Valuation of 1852, (Kierse, p.325)
All the elders of 1829, had either, died out, migrated or moved on. However my Dan Quinlivan is.
- Daniel Quinlivan (mutiple listings)
- James Storan and Daniel Quinlivan.
I point out (Kierse, p.327) further references to Griffith Valuation of 1852
- John Hickey & Thomas Murphy.
Until you can confirm some other information I am placing the following theory:
John Storen who married Catherine Hickey.
The father of John Storen was John Storen, the father of Catherine Hickey was Tim Hickey. If there was a 2nd son born (or the 7th child) of the marriage his name would most likely be Timothy. In your family lines has the John and Timothy came through?
Are you indicating that from Canada only three children survived (John, Bridget & Margaret) and Mary, Catherine, Ellen perhaps were infant fatalities of the Potato Famine?
STOREN & QUINLIVAN in KILLALOE and AUSTRALIA.
My mother's maiden name was Quinlivan and we are decendants of Killaloe; father's side from County Cavan.
We are decendants of Dan QUINLIVAN and Winifred CARTY, they migrated to South Australia Feb 1865, with their children.
The was an QUINLIVAN / STOREN marriage, Dan Quinlivan is obviously my direct relative, John and Margaret are his brother and sister.
From the earliest Baptism Record in Killaloe Register
Vol.1, Film p.6, Record: 18
DATE: 8th June 1828
JOHN, (f) QUINLIVAN, John, (m) STOREN, Joanna, Res: Clonboy
Spr 1: QUINLIVAN, Dan, Res: Clonboy, Spr 2: QUINLIVAN, Margaret, Res: Clonboy,
Priest: M. McMahon
Marriage:
Film p.20; Record 326
DATE: 2nd February 1836
QUINLIVAN, Dan, Res: Monaglee & CARTY, Winny, Res: Ardataggle
Wt 1: QUINLIVAN, Patrick, Res: Ardataggle; Wt 2: McINERNEY, Conor, Capaheigh
Priest J. Glesson
NOTE: I have Australia Death Certificates that supports the information.
This record show there was a continous family connection between the QUINLIVAN and STOREN families for over 35 years at Killaloe.
Film, p.57, Record: 1399
DATE: 12th January 1863
STORAN, Matthew & BUNFIELD, Catherine
Wt: QUINLIVAN, Dan, , Wt 2: BRIEN, Ellen
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Then the family relationship continued beyond Feb 1865 in South Australia.
One of sons of my Dan Quinlivan, was Patrick.
Patrick Quinlivan marries Catherine Meers in South Australia
11th August 1868
the witness was (cousin) Michael STORAN and (sister) Winifred QUINLIVAN.
MIchael STORAN - possibly
There multiple Baptisms I haven't isolated which one he is regsiter but hunch is either:
Vol.1 Film p.114 Rec: 3769
Date: 13th September 1842
MICHAEL, (f) STORAN, Ned, Res: Garonboy, (m) McINERNEY, Honora
Spr1: SCANLAN, Mathew, Res: Garonboy, Spr2: SCANLAN, Honora, Res: Garonboy,
Priest: J. Glesson
Reason: McInerney was a witness to the Dan Q. marriage.?
Vol 2, Film p.13, Rec: 4563
DATE: 1st June 1845
MICHAEL, (f) STORIN, James, Res: Clonboy; (m) CLEARY, Margaret
Spr1: BARRY, Patrick, Res: Clonboy Spr2: SKEAHAN, Mary, Res: Ballyneavin
Preist: J. Burke
Reason: Clonboy was part of residence of area where the Quinlivans and Storens were originally living next to each other?
TO be honest I havent gone into Michael STORAN's history too much but offering genesis possibilities. I think this is the most likely Michael because of the close connection of the Griffith Valuation of 1852; where James Storan was in partnership with my Daniel Quinlivan.
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Now something I would like to ask you.
Where in Canada did the John STOREN reside? I have accountanted for all family Quinlivan children of Dan & Winifred Quinlivan, accept for one their first child/son Edmund Quinlivan, (born 1836, film p.70, Rec: 2165) he did not come to Australia, I am guessing that some of the family members might have migrated to Canada.
Anyway hope we can help each other in some way.
Kind Regards
Jeff
Adelaide
South Australia
