Nicholas Flynn

Elise

I searched the Irish census for 1901 and found a Nicholas Flynn living in Leitrim with his uncle, age 21, born 1880, I think the census was taken in April. See http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Gortnagullion/…

Bolea means nothing to me and I searched on the big G for it in Leitrim but got one hit in Sligo, beside Leitrim but it was in 1833 about a priest of Killoran and Bolea but found no more. Could his parents have died at this time.

My own Leitrim mother always celebrated her birthday in December but when I started this lark she was registerd in the following January. It appears they might register only when they came to town and used that date. Is the birth registered in Carrick On Shannon as I see one there on Find My Past. Irish Parish records are on line here but I find them difficult to read, these would be baptisms. See http://registers.nli.ie/ I also read a memoir recently and the author had the same issue claiming the register was fond of a drink!!!

You can also search the census for 1911 to see if they uncle is still about. Leitrim is a poor county and had a lot of emigration, there a couple of sites where you can get information, one fo the volunteers may know more about Leitrim as I do not live there. The 1st site I am not sure is still active at http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/index.shtml and you can see the parish layout on this site too http://www.mohill.com/ select genealogy maps on the left column. Some history of the area can be found here http://www.loughrynn.net/

While Leitrim is a small county and not hugely populated it is divided geographically in a north / south way and Mohill is in the south. If you can narrow down your John Flynn there are other sites such as http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ which also gives a little map, however there are Flynns in Leitrim so a name like John may be difficult to identify without more address information, somewhere if Leitrim I have Flynn cousins but they are not into genealogy so I cannot give you any other information on them.

If I can assist further or indeed if any other volunteer can please let us know.

Regards

Pat

Elise

I noted you joined the Templeport parish which is Cavan also very close to Leitrim but on Find My Past I find an entry for Nicholas Flynn registered in Carrick on Shannon in 1880 and Bawnboy, Cavan (Templeport) in 1881can we ascertain if it is the same person or have we two Nicholas Flynns, (Nicholas is not that common a Christian name). 

Note also the Nicholas in the census is a postman (RA) what ever that means unless some form of auxilary postman which is not permanent but a good job at the time.

Regards

Pat

Elise/Pat:

I located a transcription of the October 26, 1873 civil marriage of John and Bridget. John was from Boley townland in Templeport civil parish in Cavan while Bridget was from Glebe townland in Drumreilly parish in Leitrim. The two parishes bordered each other. John was age 50 and a widower. Bridget was a 26 year old spinster. John's father was Nicholas (and obviously young Nicholas was named after his grandfather). Bridget's father was John Campbell. Also on Roots Ireland I located two baptismal records for children of John and Bridget. Susan in 1879 and Nicholas in 1881. The transcriptions of the baptismal records are below. Note Nicholas was baptized January 7, 1881 closed to a December 19, 1880 birth. Births had to be registered within 30 days or there was a fine so if the family delayed the registration for whatever reason beyond the 30 days, they changed the date of birth so they were within the 30 day period. Sometimes you will notice children baptized before their official (but incorrect) date of birth.

Drumreilly parish is in the Bawnboy registration district.

Roger McDonnell

Name:Nicholas FlynnDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:07-Jan-1881Address:BoleyParish/District:TEMPLEPORTGender:MaleCountyCo. Cavan
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:John FlynnMother:Bridget Campbell
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:John CampbellSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:M. A. McCaffrey

Name:Susan FlynnDate of Birth:
Date of Baptism:28-Sep-1879Address:BoleyParish/District:TEMPLEPORTGender:FemaleCountyCo. Cavan
Denomination:Roman Catholic
Father:John FlynnMother:Bridget Campbell
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1:Michael CampbellSponsor 2 /
Informant 2:Susan Brady

Elise

Roger has obviously found the correct family. It was the 1901 census I found Nicholas Flynn in, but he may be the other one. I checked the 1901 census for Garadice and there are 4 John Flynns but none in Glebe. I will ask a local near me whose grandfather is from Garadice, I live about 100 miles from there.

There is also a website here might interest you. http://www.bawnboy.com/local-genealogy/

Regards

Pat

Elise:

I don't have any good suggestions. The Nicholas Flynn age 21 that Pat found in the 1901 census does not appear to be your grandfather. I found the marriage record for the uncle of the Nicholas Flynn ( who was also named Nicholas) and his father was Pat Flynn. John Flynn's fathe rwas Nicholas so I think we have two different families. There is no Nicholas Flynn in Co. Cavan either in the 1901 census and in fact I searched all of Ireland and could not find him. 

As an aside, I did find an 1894 civil death index record for a Susan Flynn in the Bawnboy registration district. Possibly this was your grandfather's sister. Only difference is that the informant said she was born in 1878.

First name(s)SusanLast nameFlynnBirth year1878Age at death16Registered year1894Registered quarter/yearJul - Sep 1894Registration districtBawnboyVolume3Page28

Roger

Elise

thanks for the hugs but it only encourages me. Seriously I was looking up Griffiths Valuation and for Cavan in 1857 printed date there is a Nicholas Flynn in Boley and this I take it is your Nicholas Grandfather as found by Roger. The beauty of this site is there are maps of holdings, he was a tenant of a Rev. Beresford. While my map thing was not filling in today I understand you can locate the holding and then find it on recent maps and onto Google Earth and thence to street view and have a tour without ever leaving home, the site is here and search Flynn, Cavan, Union of Bawnboy, forget the barony but union will do the trick. See http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ ;

You can also get Irish maps online over the years here http://www.osi.ie/ Personally I have never tried this but understand it can be done, go grab a teenager.

Also Ireland XO give us free access to Ancestry UK and I searched the English and Scottish census for 1901 and got two likely hits for a Nicholas Flynn, why is there always 2. Of the 8 hits two are born in Ireland in 1880. One is a worker in Manchester and the other is a masons something in Scotland boarding in a house with a Campbell man also 21, did he marry a Campbell or is my memory going. Anyway I attach the 2 extracts, assume I downloaded them ok.

Would explain why he is not in Ireland. By the way I have an ancestor from that area of Cavan but cannot locate her at all, name was Callaghan but she is a real mystery woman, three records I have found and she is different ages in them all, between 5 and 15 years. Enough of my issues. 

Hope you can use church records to go back a bit further, also here is a list of tithe payers here which is also down currently

see http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/ This was done between 1824 and 1836, also believe it or not the census for 1831 for Cavan has surveyed and just select the year and put in Cavan. By the way where are you in Australia. I have had a lady from Perth over twice tracing footsteps.

Regards

Pat

Elise

you appear to be rushed but this is only a hobby so no hurry on me. So NIcholas sailed from Derry or Londonderry if you prefer. 

I looked for Campbells in the 1901 and 1911 census and there is on family in Glebe, Garadice but ages do not appear to match but head of house may be your lady's brother, one odd name in house of a daughter, Bedina, I have never heard of it. I searched only Campbell in Leitrim as putting in Garadice did not bring them back. The family are in both census.

There is a website here but they only do paid research, http://www.eneclann.ie/ but there is a podcast on DNA and Irish dimension, you can also supply an email address and get a news letter which can be interesting.

Civil records from 1864 can be obtained but you must download the form and post it in with cash in some form, they will email you a short version of the record for about $5. You will need dates though, I see now you can order online but they are showing €20 about $23 but if you do this ask for the short version, which is a photocopy from the register and is €4. http://www.hse.ie/eng/services/list/1/bdm/Certificates/

If you have isssues you can email me at this site at mailto:stpeters@irelandxo.com my actual name is Pat O'Halloran, as I keep an eye on the parts of Cavan and Leitrim you are interested in I will let you know if anything arises and I still have to meet my occassional coffee buddy whose family are from Garadice.

Finally for now I am interested a little in railways and a famous line called the Cavan Leitrim railway closed in 1959 but it passed through Bawnboy Road and the tiny station of Garadice, on page 18 of this site you can see the name of the station badly painted over the door, your ancestor probably passed through it starting on his way to the US. http://www.iol.ie/~bawnboy/index.html

Sorry but my interest in genealogy sparked an interest in social history.

Stay in touch,

Pat