MULDOON and SMITH

What looks to be Bernard Muldoon?s birth was registered in Bailieborough 1868 Volume 17, page 390. If you don?t know the exact townland in Knockbride that the family lived, it might be worth getting a copy of that birth certificate to find out. You may then be able to locate the exact house using Griffiths Valuation. The revaluation records (In the Valuation Office in Dublin) should then record who acquired the farm.

Cannot see a marriage for Susannah Muldoon in Ireland.

I suspect that Bailieborough is just the postal town, rather than the exact place where the Muldoon family lived. So a letter to the Muldoon family would be addressed to them with their townland plus Bailieborough. (Bailieborough itself is in a different parish). Given your uncertainty, I would say you really need to get that birth cert to establish exactly where they resided, to have any chance of locating the family home. There are 67 townlands in the parish of Knockbride. You need to be able to narrow your search.

You can order a photocopy from GRO Roscommon for ?4 per certificate. Put the place, year, quarter (where there is one), volume & page number on the application form (anywhere). Don?t worry about leaving some boxes blank. You don?t need to fill them all in if you have the reference details. http://www.groireland.ie/ You have to post or fax the form to them but they will e-mail the copy certificate to you if you wish. Tick the relevant box on the form.

Alternatively you can probably buy a transcript of the birth certificate on the rootsireland site.

Once you have the townland from the birth certificate, go to Griffiths Valuation and see if the family are listed. (If you have difficulty with that, let me know and I?ll do it for you).

Regarding passenger lists to the USA, no records were ever kept of people departing Ireland. Passenger lists were created for people travelling to the US, but were given to the US immigration authorities on arrival. You should check the Castle Gardens and Ellis islands sites (both free). There are also passenger lists on Ancestry and findmypast (both pay to view). Be aware that Susannah may not have sailed directly from Ireland to the US. By far the busiest port of departure was Liverpool (with most shipping agents throwing in passage to Liverpool free, as part of the fare). Some immigrants to the US also went via Canada as it was sometimes cheaper, so don?t exclude that routing.

I have attached a link to a site with information about emigration from Ireland in the mid 1800s. It happens to be for Co Donegal but everything in the link would be equally applicable to Co Cavan:

 

http://www.finnvalley.ie/history/emigration/index.html

Hi Bernard, Knockbride is a religious parish, it is situated between the towns of Bailieborough, Shercock & Cootehill, to confuse you further there is also a very small townland called Knockbride, but generally the name is used to identify the parish.  The Parish has 2 Catholic churches and a Church of Ireland.  When you mention Bailieborough, is is possibly because it is their town  & that is also where their Births deaths & marraiges were registered.  Concentrate on Muldoon as the name is not as common, the Clarke name gives me the shivers as I have difficulty in unravelling them, they are so common.

 

When you get the copies of the certificates, please scan them to me, so I can 'read' them for you, as I would be used to the names of the townlands etc & could recognise the words easier for you.   

I am in college full time but when we get more information I will do my best to help you & when you come hopefully meet you.

 

Regards Carmel O'Callaghan 

You are welcome.

 

Regards Carmel

Hi Bernard,

Yes it is Knockbride the townland, Bailieborough is the registeration district.

 

Because Susannah is pre civil registrations, we wont get her birth cert, but I keyed in her info into ancestry.com & this came up, This is telling me she went to New South Wales when she was 19 & James Smith Storekeeper, Knockbride paid her passage.  The coincindences seem too great.  Dont worry about the spelling of a name, i have a Keappock person in my family and it is spelt 20 different ways, it was written by the person who wrote it phonetically, so dont discout any alternative versions.

Carmel

Susannah Muldoon Age: 19 Birth Year: abt 1861 Place of Origin: Cavan, Ireland Sponsor Name: James Muldoon Deposit Date: 9 Dec 1880 Immigration Group: Name Susannah Muldoon

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Hi Bernard,

On that page it said that he was a storekeeper, under his name, then under that it says Knockbride, I zoomed in to read it, are you sure the deposit was refunded the 2nd time as there is no date?

Also is that your tree on Ancestry?

C. 

Hi Bernard, I know you are looking for Susannah.  Do you have their other siblings? There appears to be a Bridget, Mary, Patrick, Alice & Elizabeth.

 

C

Hi Bernard,

I tried to search for her on Ancestry, but unable to identify her under either names.  Have you searched for your ggfathers travel records, if he visited her it may be recorded & it may give the address of who he visited.

You can confirm the Foreign Birth Registars through this site http://www.gov.ie/services/access-foreign-birth-registration-facility/, so I have been advised.

 

Regards Carmel

Bernard, you could try RootsIreland.ie, you can do a lot of searches before you decide to purchase a record or else try

Cavan Genealogy,they are at :

1st floor,

Johnston Central Library,
Farnham Street,
Cavan Town,
County Cavan.
Tel: +353 (0)49 4361094
Fax: +353 (0)49 433149  email cavangenealogy@eircom.net

 

Give them all the information you have on her, they do family searches for a fee, bur discuss with them what you want etc.  The marriage cert would have it & they have access to parish registers, they would have married in the Brides church, which could be the neighbouring parish, as they did not travel too far for partners

Carmel

 

Carmel

Hi Bernard,  Yes her name could be Suzie, Sue etc.  Clarke would be one of the most common names in Co. Cavan,  I have them in my family tree and many of them with the same first names.  If they married in New York, hopefully you will find the answers with US records.  Some marriage & death records name both their parents and if you find their naturalisation papers or their names on shipping lists, you may find more information.  I am out of subscription on Ancestry or Findmypast, so I am unable to do any searches for you.  Please let me know if you find anything that I can clarify on the ground here in Co. Cavan

Regards Carmel

 

You are welcome.  Regards Carmel